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What Is This Feeling?	Oh.... my.... God! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1773013349632521966&q=Les+Miserables&hl=en
Quique	The opening sequence was the most annoying thing I've ever had to sit through in my entire life. It was incredibly long, preachy, and overdone. I saw the kids sing the first few lines and turned it off.
AndrewShatterhand	Ohhh nooooo.....it's turned into spoken word!!!
jcstar	Victor Hugo is rolling in his grave. Andy.
Trevor	I saw parts of that once. Bad.
Matthew	the twenty hour intro thing bored me to death so i just closed out of it.
Aimee	I'm confused. Was it meant to be a mixture of a spoken performance and the SE proper? I don't know if anyone actually know the answer ut .. eh??
What Is This Feeling?	I couldn't tell you what the hell that was.... it was the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I'm not even joking.
Mr_X	I've seen this before when they sang/spoke "Look down, look down Don't look them in the eye Look down, look down No cutting in the line" Hahahahahaha.
Lazarus (Adam G)	It's like they wanted to hurt the audience.
The Very Angry Woman	Aimee wrote: I'm confused. Was it meant to be a mixture of a spoken performance and the SE proper? There was nothing proper about that.
AndrewShatterhand	They've turned "Stars" into an interpretive dance number!!! hahahahaha
Aimee	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Aimee wrote: I'm confused. Was it meant to be a mixture of a spoken performance and the SE proper? There was nothing proper about that. I only watched a few momnets and gave up.
Matthew	^ That was probably for the best.
Quique	The intro annoyed me so much, I only saw a few seconds of the performance. And I'm not easily annoyed.
Jenko	That director needs a new career
LesMisIsLove	So I skimmed most of it, and I was thinking "OH MY GOD" about every five seconds. Here are the highlights for those of you who didn't watch past the first few minutes: 1) Every solo is turned into an interpretive dance number. 2) Valjean rescues Fauchlevant by lifting the cart and Facuhlevant just walks off stage. 3) An actual woman in white appears during Castle on a Cloud. 4) A hot pink backdrop lasts for most of the show. 5) "Master of the House" is worth watching if you want a really good laugh. There's not enough space to explain the awfulness. 6) Valjean comes in with Little Cosette. "Alas! Who are the owners of this hotel?" Thenardier: "I'M the master of the house!" 7) In My Life and A Heart Full of Love is turned into Cosette gushing to Valjean about meeting Marius, which hasn't even happened since they cut it from the show! 8. Valjean is replaced in the second act by a 7-year-old in a tux too big for him.
Quique	Why do sooo many school edition productions turn to cheesiness? It's so annoying! The hand movements, stupid dancing, and corny blocking (like the way the chain gang enters in this vid) and silliness can get to be too much. Ugh. The above post has sparked my curiosity and I'll skim through the vid when I have time. I'll let you know what I think, lol.
LesMisIsLove	Here's another interesting video on Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8207749233773062352&pr=goog-sl Does anyone know what it is? (It's 1 minute and 4 seconds).[/url]
shakalakababy	god that was horrible. I managed to watched the first 15 minutes but then i just couldn't take it anymore. Kids that young should never be allowed to do Les Miserables.
AndrewShatterhand	LesMisIsLove wrote: So I skimmed most of it, and I was thinking "OH MY GOD" about every five seconds. Here are the highlights for those of you who didn't watch past the first few minutes: 1) Every solo is turned into an interpretive dance number. 2) Valjean rescues Fauchlevant by lifting the cart and Facuhlevant just walks off stage. 3) An actual woman in white appears during Castle on a Cloud. 4) A hot pink backdrop lasts for most of the show. 5) "Master of the House" is worth watching if you want a really good laugh. There's not enough space to explain the awfulness. 6) Valjean comes in with Little Cosette. "Alas! Who are the owners of this hotel?" Thenardier: "I'M the master of the house!" 7) In My Life and A Heart Full of Love is turned into Cosette gushing to Valjean about meeting Marius, which hasn't even happened since they cut it from the show! 8. Valjean is replaced in the second act by a 7-year-old in a tux too big for him. You forgot that apparently Valjean stoles silver from the Pope in this version. I mean....look at his hat! There's also the random clips from the OBC in spots where it doesn't fit, such as "Who Am I?" in the prologue, "The ABC Cafe" during the runaway cart sequence, IDaD during Fantine's death, "Stars" (with interpretive dance!) cut with Javert's suicide and others that I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Quique	"Master Of the House" was MOST painful. Too bad someone didn't report that production for illegally lip-synching to the OBC recording.
robs_oracle	I think it's the grabbing the air and pulling it back to thier hearts which I find most disturbing. Dancing wasnt bad...... Rob
Lazarus (Adam G)	God damn it I hate these friggin' kids.
jcstar	Yet "hate" is too strong a word when talking about these kids. The production is horrible. The South Korean version of JCS is nothing compared to this. At least there were some good ideas in that one. Andy.
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lostquiche	Whats more embarrasing is some of those kids are OLD. It's not just a bunch of ten-year olds, it's like 12-18. How humiliating. Did anyone else notice that a bunch of main characters had clones or something? There were three Gavroches, two Fantines, like 20 little Cosettes, no Marius I could see, and Javert? I couldn't even tell which one was him, becuase I think it was a girl. Master of the house-NO NO NO NO. I think at one point they did the Macarena. And they cut out all the Mistress's parts. (Wonder why) So at the end it was all choppy- "everybody raise aglassmasterofthehouse!!" Ohhhh my eyes. I sorely regret watching the 10 minutes that I did, for alas, mine eyes shall never be the same again. and isn't that some sort of copyright infringement? using the CD?
What Is This Feeling?	It wasn't a school edition. It was an illegal production obviously. I think it was stupidity, and sheer idiocracy for even a single person in that auditorium to clap. I'm not even kidding ........
lostquiche	What Is This Feeling? wrote: It wasn't a school edition. It was an illegal production obviously. I think it was stupidity, and sheer idiocracy for even a single person in that auditorium to clap. I'm not even kidding ........ They were cheering their asses off during master of the house.
DaddyDiesel	Well I didn't end up hating the kids but I am still laughing my ace off. seriously that had to of been one of the funniest things I have ever seen. To bad this wasnt a parody of the show. I dont think will ferrel could of done one better is it was. But on a serious not if I can stop laughing. The director needs to be shot.
Quique	Oh, no. It's not the kids' necks I'd like to ring, but the director's, lol. The kids actually did a great job and if some of them had a hand in creating the dances and such, well, creativity is never a bad thing. But they're kids and I don't blame them. The director, on the other hand.
theatrefanatic	Sit... Relax... Learn Volunteer is a verb I wanted to gouge my eyes out.
LesMisIsLove	AndrewShatterhan--I did notice the inappropriate inserting of song clips inbetween scenes. I was going to mention it, but the list was getting a little long. I also thought of mentioning the incredibly obvious fake laughter by Javert and the guards when Valjean said the line, "Yes, It means I'm free." For a while I wasn't sure whether the kids were parodying Les Mis or actually trying to do it.
Aimee	I feel sorry for the kids, they probably were very excitied to be doing Les Mis, even auditioned/travelled/paid to be in it and then this....
Pounce	According to the site, it was put together in just 8 days so I'll cut them some slack. It can be both painful and funny to watch but often here and there, the kids did pretty good. I like Eponine's "scream"..."Look Out!!!!" And those snippets from the OBC is cheating to boost the quality of the show. And if I'm not mistaken, the death of Javert is directly after he is freed and he intentionally places himself in the line of fire during the battle. The kid was pretty good in his speech for "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" but the chant was...eh. I also wonder how legal this production was but yes the director should be arrested for this adapation. But this performance does serve to show that there are too many girls in theater or not enough boys. And at times, the notes in Les Miz are just too high!
brittani_h86	oh my gosh! i couldn't even believe that they were speaking rather than singing!.....and they cut out a lot at that....i laughed when they played the track instead of the kids singing...i guess they put it together in 8 days so..but still! i never want to see les miz speak-sung again!
MsDivaKate	Is it actually illegal or could it just be considered a Les Mis concert/recital that gave kids the chance to act, sing and dance to a central theme? I guess its only illegal if they were really trying to pass it off as Les Mis the School Edition or something, because plenty of people use the vocal score that's available and/or use selections from Les Mis in dance recitals and such. I could be wrong though. Either way, I found this myself awhile back and was pained at how awful it was. Though that fault lies solely on the director. And that intro......dear God.....why....
olly	The rights clearly state that Les Miserables School Edition has to be performed as the rights state. It is not allowed to be in concert-style. There is only one way to perform it and that group has clearly ignored the provided contract.
MsDivaKate	Are you sure they are DOING the Les Mis School Edition though? They may just be doing a Les Mis concert that they didn't license any rights to, as they are just using Les Mis as a theme for their youth theatre showcase or something. Its caption on google just calls it Les Miserables-A Student Theatre Production, which sounds more or less like they just used Les Mis as a theme to their performance, kind of like how schools do concerts of all ALW stuff. I don't think it was meant to be the Les Mis School Edition and I don't think they purchased any rights, but again I could be wrong.
olly	I understand it as you can perform the songs in the music book (available at music stores) as a concert style. However, that production had songs in it that are not provided in the music books. One can only legally obtain a score of the music and words by performing the School Edition as the rights state. The full rights are out, but only very few theatres have them to perform an amateur production of Les Miserables. This groups is clearly a School, and therefore the must've obtained the script and music through something like MTI (or so they should have. If they haven't they shouldn't be performing it at all) and the rights state they have to produce the musical as the rights state. Going from that, they have no leeway or argument for putting that production on, and they are outright ignoring their contract, thus perfoming an illegal (and shitty) prodcution of Les Miserables. Les Miserables: Joseph Weinberger FAQs wrote: Can we record our performance? Under the terms of the Performance Licence, you are not allowed to record your performance of the show by any audio or visual means at all. Any recording is an infringement of copyright and, therefore, illegal. Can we make cuts or changes to the text and music? No. There are no changes allowed in this version. The licence says that all performers must be under 19 years of age. Does this include the musicians? You may be in the position to get extra players from outside of the school and even have your instrumental tutors help boost the band strength. The performers in question must be those on the stage - your actors and singers. We would like to do LMSE as a concert version. Is this possible? No. It is specifically designed to be staged and is not a 'concert version'.
The Very Angry Woman	MsDivaKate wrote: They may just be doing a Les Mis concert that they didn't license any rights to, as they are just using Les Mis as a theme for their youth theatre showcase or something. That's still illegal, if it's the case.
Jekkienumber24601	WHAT THE HELL!!!!? who sued them? did anyone sue them! TELL ME SOMEONE SUED THEM!!!! I skipped through it! I dreamed a dream is a chorus number? Valjean doesn't sing at all? they just talk! IT SUCKS! OH MY GOD!!! They used the recording of Master of the House from the broadway cast recording!! three gavroches! They used the Stars from the broadway recordings!!!!
olly	No one has sued them that I know of. Although someone bloody well should. I don't mind mind the odd thing in a School Edition such as adding in The Confrontation, for example. But that! It ripped the show apart and didn't put it back together. What will those people think who went to watch it? They may think that the West End production is similar. If they couldn't do it, don't do it! Ah! Directors have pissed me off in my time, but this is on a diffrent level. It's directly ignoring the rules and regulations attached with performing the show. I'm getting fumed just thinking about it. I might even email MTI...
MsDivaKate	Emailing MTI, will most likely get you nowhere. I had a friend who happened to get turned in (for something I agree with but that's besides the point) so I emailed MTI, 3 seperate times, to inform them of other similiar incidents (the videos were also on youtube as right in your face evidence) and got nowhere. The videos were never removed and no one ever responded to me and as far as I know, it doesn't seem like any of those schools faced any ramifications. As for turning this production in, yes its awful, but if you turn it in, chances are it may only hurt those kids (more then that god forsaken production probably already has skewed their ideas of theatre) when their theatre loses its ability to license productions and gets slapped with a huge fine and those kids no longer have anything to perform with. While it is probably illegal if they really are messing with the school edition, turning them in is pretty assanine. Chances are, people who work at MTI may have already seen this (it was one of the videos I myself happened to turn in) and don't seem to care, which is why I had mentioned earlier that it may just be a showcase themed around Les Mis. As for the songs that aren't available without the school edition? Someone could have transcribed the songs for them by listening to a recording...which is probably still illegal. And Olly, I'm pretty sure that no one who went to see that production expected the real one to be the same way. Most parents I know, as uninformed about the theatre as many of them are, realize that their children's productions, in most cases, are in no way shape or form to the same scale and replica of the actual show, especially something like in that video and especially with something so well known as Les Mis.
Lazarus (Adam G)	Seriously, someone come with me. I'm going to KILL those ---- kids.
Gwen	....8 days? 8 DAYS?!? Gah! THAT IS WRONG. I'm sorry, but who in their right mind does a production like this in 8 days? Come on, give it a month at least if you want to make it remotely decent....
olly	MsDivaKate wrote: As for the songs that aren't available without the school edition? Someone could have transcribed the songs for them by listening to a recording...which is probably still illegal. Yes, it is. MsDivaKate wrote: And Olly, I'm pretty sure that no one who went to see that production expected the real one to be the same way. Most parents I know, as uninformed about the theatre as many of them are, realize that their children's productions, in most cases, are in no way shape or form to the same scale and replica of the actual show, especially something like in that video and especially with something so well known as Les Mis. I wasn't referring to the style or the ability of acting or singing, I was referring to the style and production of Les Miserables. Such as, people may think there's much talking in it, or the shitty choreography of the dancing (for example). Things like that. I'm not saying they'd expect to see that style or ability from the actors or actresses. The fact is is that they have butchered, hung, drawn and quartered a fantastic musical. And it pisses me off.
MsDivaKate	olly wrote: I wasn't referring to the style or the ability of acting or singing, I was referring to the style and production of Les Miserables. Such as, people may think there's much talking in it, or the shitty choreography of the dancing (for example). Things like that. I'm not saying they'd expect to see that style or ability from the actors or actresses. The fact is is that they have butchered, hung, drawn and quartered a fantastic musical. And it pisses me off. Dear, it happens far too often in youth theatre and school theatre. If every bad school or youth production got turned in, almost no one would perform. You can't get hung up on the awful productions, instead celebrate the type of schools that give students a real education and feel for the theatre-those are much more rare and more enjoyable then grumbling on about a bad production-because lets face it, they are run of the mill.
The Very Angry Woman	MsDivaKate wrote: olly wrote: I wasn't referring to the style or the ability of acting or singing, I was referring to the style and production of Les Miserables. Such as, people may think there's much talking in it, or the shitty choreography of the dancing (for example). Things like that. I'm not saying they'd expect to see that style or ability from the actors or actresses. The fact is is that they have butchered, hung, drawn and quartered a fantastic musical. And it pisses me off. Dear, it happens far too often in youth theatre and school theatre. If every bad school or youth production got turned in, almost no one would perform. You can't get hung up on the awful productions, instead celebrate the type of schools that give students a real education and feel for the theatre-those are much more rare and more enjoyable then grumbling on about a bad production-because lets face it, they are run of the mill. Exactly. Pick your battles. This isn't worth it. Remember: It's not illegal to totally suck on stage.
olly	MsDivaKate wrote: olly wrote: I wasn't referring to the style or the ability of acting or singing, I was referring to the style and production of Les Miserables. Such as, people may think there's much talking in it, or the shitty choreography of the dancing (for example). Things like that. I'm not saying they'd expect to see that style or ability from the actors or actresses. The fact is is that they have butchered, hung, drawn and quartered a fantastic musical. And it pisses me off. Dear, it happens far too often in youth theatre and school theatre. If every bad school or youth production got turned in, almost no one would perform. You can't get hung up on the awful productions, instead celebrate the type of schools that give students a real education and feel for the theatre-those are much more rare and more enjoyable then grumbling on about a bad production-because lets face it, they are run of the mill. I'm not disputing the fact that there are many bad productions of plays and musicals. They are not bound by meticulous contracts (perhaps some other musicals are), but they butchered the production. Illegal. Give me one good reason why they shouldn't be turned in? You say praise them for giving them a rich education through theatre. I think it's fantastic that the school offers drama and I feel it essential in one's school life, however there is one major problem I have with this production. They clearly did not have the resources to produce a School Edition of a very difficult musical and they overcome this problem through ignoring the contract; I ask: why did they put it on when they clearly couldn't? The amount of plays out there for a school to choose is infinite. If they wanted to do a musical, there would be other more suitable productions.
olly	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Remember: It's not illegal to totally suck on stage. I think I'm being misheard. What's annoying me is the fact that they clearly couldn't do the productions through lack of resources. They overcame this by ignoring the contract. If they ignore the contract and don't produce it in anyway the contract stated it to be, then it is illegal. As said in my previous post, I don't mind shitty productions (well, I do but for different reasons being discussed here); it's this particular one that pisses me off.
Quique	The two things that truly shocked me were the horrific intro and the dancing. There's something very wrong about a girl dancing to the OBC recording, with choreography straight out of a 90's music video.
lucebarker	Oh my gosh. That was terrible. I'm disturbed!! haha. Get some good video's up here!!:] xxx
MsDivaKate	olly wrote: I'm not disputing the fact that there are many bad productions of plays and musicals. They are not bound by meticulous contracts (perhaps some other musicals are), but they butchered the production. Illegal. Give me one good reason why they shouldn't be turned in? You say praise them for giving them a rich education through theatre. I think it's fantastic that the school offers drama and I feel it essential in one's school life, however there is one major problem I have with this production. They clearly did not have the resources to produce a School Edition of a very difficult musical and they overcome this problem through ignoring the contract; I ask: why did they put it on when they clearly couldn't? The amount of plays out there for a school to choose is infinite. If they wanted to do a musical, there would be other more suitable productions. They already HAVE been turned in, had you read previous posts, and MTI did nothing and the video still exists, which implies that nothing probably happend to that group. Clearly, its not worth it enough for them to go after this group. I did not say praise THIS group, I said concentrate on OTHER groups out there that are doing things appropriately. As for legalities, ANY video of a school production on youtube or google video is going completely against contract. Shows aren't allowed to be filmed and those that are only allow one copy to be made for achives. Thousands of schools break this rule and very seldomly are they ever turned in. Any video you see on youtube of a musical production is illegal. Also, all musicals require you to sign a contract that you will not change any part of the show, same as the les mis school edition. As TVAW says, its not worth the time and effort trying to fight one bad production unless you're going to try and take them all down with you. Besides, is there even a school or group name linked to that video that you could turn them in with to identify them to MTI?
The Very Angry Woman	MsDivaKate wrote: Besides, is there even a school or group name linked to that video that you could turn them in with to identify them to MTI? Burlington Summer Arts Camp c/o Burlington City Arts 149 Church Street, Burlington, Vermont 05401 Phone: 802.865.7166 Fax: 802.865.5839 (149 Church St.) 802.865.7044 (250 Main St.)
Jordan	Oh dear. Not only did they speak the lines, but they spoke them like rhyming poetry; da da de da da dum, da da da de da dum, de da de da, de dum de dum, de da da da de dum all the time. That was so bad. I wish I hadn't given it any time, let alone the 10 mins I spent scanning through it.
deedlebug103	awful! what was the director thinking!
jcstar	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: Seriously, someone come with me. I'm going to KILL those f---ing kids. Laz, I must try to stop you from doing this. If I fail at this, I will testify against you at you trial. Kill the director (with rubber chickens and Spam), NOT the children. Andy.
olly	MsDivaKate wrote: olly wrote: I'm not disputing the fact that there are many bad productions of plays and musicals. They are not bound by meticulous contracts (perhaps some other musicals are), but they butchered the production. Illegal. Give me one good reason why they shouldn't be turned in? You say praise them for giving them a rich education through theatre. I think it's fantastic that the school offers drama and I feel it essential in one's school life, however there is one major problem I have with this production. They clearly did not have the resources to produce a School Edition of a very difficult musical and they overcome this problem through ignoring the contract; I ask: why did they put it on when they clearly couldn't? The amount of plays out there for a school to choose is infinite. If they wanted to do a musical, there would be other more suitable productions. They already HAVE been turned in, had you read previous posts, and MTI did nothing and the video still exists, which implies that nothing probably happend to that group. Clearly, its not worth it enough for them to go after this group. I did not say praise THIS group, I said concentrate on OTHER groups out there that are doing things appropriately. As for legalities, ANY video of a school production on youtube or google video is going completely against contract. Shows aren't allowed to be filmed and those that are only allow one copy to be made for achives. Thousands of schools break this rule and very seldomly are they ever turned in. Any video you see on youtube of a musical production is illegal. Also, all musicals require you to sign a contract that you will not change any part of the show, same as the les mis school edition. As TVAW says, its not worth the time and effort trying to fight one bad production unless you're going to try and take them all down with you. Besides, is there even a school or group name linked to that video that you could turn them in with to identify them to MTI? I know that there are thousands of bad productions out there that deserve to be turned in. I had read the post that said it had been turned in. I appreciate the fact that there are many contract breakers etc, it was just this one production I thought especially frustrating. It just seemed that you were implying that you didn't care, or that you didn't think they were breaking the contract. As I agree with most of the stuff said above, I am inclined to believe that it was a misunderstanding between us.
MsDivaKate	^^ I'm sure it was. I was simply asking if it was illegal to do a Les Mis themed revue or showcase, which may have been what they were going for. I've never watched the whole video so I was unaware they had included songs not available in the vocal selections or choral selections. Its not that I don't care if someone breaks contract (especially one as clearly stated as that of the LMSE-my former high school was one of the first schools to perform it in fact so I'm quite aware of things), however with so many people to be after, it seems that MTI cares less and less about things like this and if MTI isn't cracking down (even when illegal productions/videos are delivered right into their laps) then we can't really get so uptight about things. The world will go on and perhaps one day the director will get what is coming to them. All we can hope for is the children involved in this production go on to participate in other groups that give them a better sense of what the theatre is really about.
Quique	Yeah, the initial shock was enough to make me go diving for my phone to report but after that subsided, it becomes more about the kids and you realize that creating something like that in only 8 days is quite an acheivement and I applaude the KIDS for that. However, I'm still upset by the director's decision to use Les Mis as a vehicle for that sort of creativity. It would've worked much better with a different show. Or maybe they should've created their own show. In the end, I'm just glad the kids took something positive from the experience. More good came out of this than bad for them I'm sure.
MsDivaKate	Quique wrote: Yeah, the initial shock was enough to make me go diving for my phone to report but after that subsided, it becomes more about the kids and you realize that creating something like that in only 8 days is quite an acheivement and I applaude the KIDS for that. However, I'm still upset by the director's decision to use Les Mis as a vehicle for that sort of creativity. It would've worked much better with a different show. Or maybe they should've created their own show. In the end, I'm just glad the kids took something positive from the experience. More good came out of this than bad for them I'm sure. Oh I agree completely. I also liked, if you watch closely during some of the dance numbers, that a little girl who has leg braces and crutches (cerebral palsy I'm assuming) was included in the show and in the choreography along with all the other non disabled children. Its lovely that the director was able to include children with disabilities in the show--even if it was a poor choice of a show.
music is my life!!!	oh my gosh! this is so funny! (lost control laughing so hard!!!) Well... ...they can dance... i just called my dad in and he got bored in the first 3o seconds! did any of you see empty chairs at empty tables? it's worth taking a look - i mean, i's not meant to be funny...
Lazarus (Adam G)	MsDivaKate wrote: Quique wrote: Yeah, the initial shock was enough to make me go diving for my phone to report but after that subsided, it becomes more about the kids and you realize that creating something like that in only 8 days is quite an acheivement and I applaude the KIDS for that. However, I'm still upset by the director's decision to use Les Mis as a vehicle for that sort of creativity. It would've worked much better with a different show. Or maybe they should've created their own show. In the end, I'm just glad the kids took something positive from the experience. More good came out of this than bad for them I'm sure. Oh I agree completely. I also liked, if you watch closely during some of the dance numbers, that a little girl who has leg braces and crutches (cerebral palsy I'm assuming) was included in the show and in the choreography along with all the other non disabled children. Its lovely that the director was able to include children with disabilities in the show--even if it was a poor choice of a show. Oh yeah, equal oppertunity and all that, right? And it makes perfect sense to have someone who can't dance in a dance sequence!!! And hey, while we're at it, why don't we put the deaf kids in the chorus! Sorry, but equal oppertunity is ridiculas.
The Very Angry Woman	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: And hey, while we're at it, why don't we put the deaf kids in the chorus! Hm?
Lazarus (Adam G)	Holy sh*t.
olly	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: Holy sh*t. What?
Lazarus (Adam G)	The link posted by TVAW.
Bagpiper 24601	I've not yet seen this and I am somewhat afraid. However, from what they are saying, this sounds bad from the prespective of the show, but for kids to have put this together in 8 days is great. I know from expierence that putting a show, much less a musical, together in less than a month is very difficult. I commend these kids. And equal opportunity is a great thing. I'm glad that they worked everything so that anyone, disabled or not, could be a part of it. It would be like having a handicapped Gavroche, not very likely, but it could be done.
The Very Angry Woman	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: The link posted by TVAW. I'm kinda surprised you haven't heard of Deaf West. If you're in Connecticut, you couldn't have NOT heard about the Big River revival.
olly	Wow, haha, I didn't know that it was a link, but... Wow. There's nothing bad about it though; I think it's great.
Bagpiper 24601	Three kids playing Gavroche...at ONCE???
MsDivaKate	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: MsDivaKate wrote: Quique wrote: Yeah, the initial shock was enough to make me go diving for my phone to report but after that subsided, it becomes more about the kids and you realize that creating something like that in only 8 days is quite an acheivement and I applaude the KIDS for that. However, I'm still upset by the director's decision to use Les Mis as a vehicle for that sort of creativity. It would've worked much better with a different show. Or maybe they should've created their own show. In the end, I'm just glad the kids took something positive from the experience. More good came out of this than bad for them I'm sure. Oh I agree completely. I also liked, if you watch closely during some of the dance numbers, that a little girl who has leg braces and crutches (cerebral palsy I'm assuming) was included in the show and in the choreography along with all the other non disabled children. Its lovely that the director was able to include children with disabilities in the show--even if it was a poor choice of a show. Oh yeah, equal oppertunity and all that, right? And it makes perfect sense to have someone who can't dance in a dance sequence!!! And hey, while we're at it, why don't we put the deaf kids in the chorus! Sorry, but equal oppertunity is ridiculas. Actually deaf children, to some extent can learn to be musical based upon vibrations. In children's theatre, there is nothing wrong with equal oppurtunities. There are numerous children's theatre groups that combine disabled and non disabled children together to produce productions. Not to get off topic but why shouldn't disabled kids/adults be able to enjoy/participate in the theatre too? It doesn't have to be on the professional level but just something small like this obviously was. The dance sequence that girl was performing too was quite simple and she only used one crutch and was absolutely adorable. How close minded of you.
Lazarus (Adam G)	T'was a jest. Don't take things so seriously.
The Very Angry Woman	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: T'was a jest. Don't take things so seriously. Nice backpedal.
katethegreat	Just found this, made it up to the first burst of the OBCR before I had to stop it! I've read all the other posts and yeah, 8 days, I don't blame the kids etc...but as a director or md I'm not sure how I could sleep knowing I'd done that to a load of kids! I've actually applied to do one of these performing arts summer camps in the US this year...I'm not sure what I'd do if the MD and director there churned out some crap like this!
Lazarus (Adam G)	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: T'was a jest. Don't take things so seriously. Nice backpedal. The second time you've said this to me. The second time you've been wrong.
Orestes Fasting	Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: The Very Angry Woman wrote: Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: T'was a jest. Don't take things so seriously. Nice backpedal. The second time you've said this to me. The second time you've been wrong. Exaggerating for comedic effect doesn't change the basic point of your post.
MsDivaKate	Orestes Fasting wrote: Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: The Very Angry Woman wrote: Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: T'was a jest. Don't take things so seriously. Nice backpedal. The second time you've said this to me. The second time you've been wrong. Exaggerating for comedic effect doesn't change the basic point of your post. Exactly. You said that equal oppurtunities was a bunch of rubbish. Joking or not, you meant it to some degree or you wouldn't have said it. Plus some people in this group work with the disabled or may have disabled family members or children or might even be disabled themselves.
metaphor17	WORST THING EVER SEEN IN MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE
metaphor17	metaphor17 wrote: WORST THING EVER SEEN IN MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE I mean, don't crucify me for saying that. it's wonderful that the kids put it together in 8 days and they included handicapped children and they all probably learned something. but honestly. it's bad to the point of being funny.... and nobody can deny that
Lazarus (Adam G)	metaphor17 wrote: metaphor17 wrote: WORST THING EVER SEEN IN MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE I mean, don't crucify me for saying that. it's wonderful that the kids put it together in 8 days and they included handicapped children and they all probably learned something. but honestly. it's bad to the point of being funny.... and nobody can deny that Don't be sorry. It was BAD.

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