convict24601
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best LM recordingI've heard all 4 English recordings. I like them all very munch and it's hard to choose...So for me, they're all close behind. But here is my order:
1. Tie: TAC and CSR - very complete with strong voices (despite some different opinions i like both casts equally)
2. OBC -Most modern between the OBC and OLC - overall a good cast.
3. OLC - only here because its slower, the sound quality isnt anything to write home about and some of the old wording is confusing... Otherwise, it a great album .. The cast is actually a bit stronger than the OBC.
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Fantine
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I have heard the TAC, Paris Revival and OFC. Some clips from the CSR.
While the TAC is my fave English recording, I highly enjoyed the OFC too. I think that the OFC is hardly comparable to any of the other recordings because it is so different.
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Kragey
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I don't mean to be nasty, bu--well, actually, I do. Please spell "Japanese" right.
TAC is overrated.
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Fantine
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Kragey wrote: | TAC is overrated. |
I definitely think that it's popularity is mainly because of the video version of the concert and it being the only way to 'see' Les Mis out of the theatre. If they would film the stage version and make a recording out of that, I think it might outgrow the TAC.
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javertsw
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I agree, the TAC is overrated.
Some of the performances I dislike, and most of the ones I do like I prefer on other recordings.
The OLC is my favourite:
- My favourite cast. Roger Allam and Frances Ruffelle are perfect in their roles.
- I love the original orchestrations, especially 'Stars'. (Stars should never have been changed!)
- There is so much more passion in this recording than you hear in others. In the TAC, in the chorus numbers, it is a choir trying to sing perfectly. This sounds boring to me. On the OLC, however, all the actors are singing exactly like they would be if they were performing the show on stage.
- I like the slow speed in numbers like 'The Confrontation'.
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renthead4402
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I chose the CSR just because I like to hear everything. I don't like skipping over things.
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digitalxdoll
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OLC is mine. I love it.
i find the OBC intolerable.
TAC is good, but i agree its overrated
CSR is quite good, but i don't like Gary Morris.
I also like the OFC, and the Paris recording. I like my Japanese recordings too.
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Colle
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For me it is a three way tie between the TAC, CSR, and the Japanese Red cast.
The TAC has a special place in my heart because it was how I was introduced to Les Mis. Ruthie Henshall is still one of my favorite Fantine's , and Lea Salonga is still one of my favorite Eponine's. I liked the CSR because it is a recording of the whole show as it was at the time. I brought the Japanese Red Cast because I wanted to hear Kaho Shimada as Eponine in Japanese. She is even stronger in this recording, and the rest of the cast is pretty good for the most part.
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Bex
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ah for me it's got to be the CRS, mainly because you get the whole thing!! although it is very closerly followed by TAC
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Aimee
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renthead4402 wrote: | I chose the CSR just because I like to hear everything. I don't like skipping over things. | Snap!
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DarthRevan00m9
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CSR rocked the HOUSE!!
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LesMisForever
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Hello
3 cheers to the most discussed topic
My choice is TAC (second would be Paris revival). The OFC is really different, and it should be obtained for the die hard fans.
"L'aire de misere" is an incredible song, and it was the corner-stone for the show according to the composer.
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Superstar83
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I used to love the TAC but I've grown tired of it lately. I'm not as hugely keen on Lea's Eponine like I used to be, she sounds too posh for my liking (don't hate me!). Her voice is beautiful and lovely, don't get me wrong, but she comes across as too classy in her portrayl. Also, my main problem with TAC is that it just cuts far too much.
I think my favourite recording now days is the CSR. It has more in it than the other recordings do and the cast are great (though I do miss Ruthie Henshall terribly). I like CSR so much too if only because it's the most complete.
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convict24601
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I agree with all who said that CSR is great because it's complete. I'm a perfectionist (completist) and it's weird listening to the OBC/OLC and in some parts, the TAC with some parts missing. However, I am not that big of a Gary Morris fan (though he has his moments.)
digitalxdoll did bring up a good point - London's recording odes have a very full sound. Especially considering the time that it was made. (The Ensemble is at par with CSR's many times - i e Master of the House.)
What I like about having so many recordings to choose from of the same show is that each recording has somthing good to bring to the table, and each has one thing about it that stands above the rest. (Even the boadway cd )
PS - Kragey - Sorry, I cant spell for beans. I'm guessing theres at least one spelling mistake in this post.
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Fantine
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LesMisForever wrote: | Hello
3 cheers to the most discussed topic
My choice is TAC (second would be Paris revival). The OFC is really different, and it should be obtained for the die hard fans.
"L'aire de misere" is an incredible song, and it was the corner-stone for the show according to the composer. |
I love 'L'un vers l'autre' myself. OMO is a better song but LVL makes Eponine such a different character. On the OFC she seems much more a passive character. She accepts the love between Marius and Cosette and I kind of like it that way. It makes it different.
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Bex
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Quote: | I'm not as hugely keen on Lea's Eponine like I used to be, she sounds too posh for my liking |
I agree 100%
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olly
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I love the CSR because it is complete, and I love most of the cast, but despise Gary Morris. Philip Quast is my favorite Javert.
The OLC comes next, because mostly I love the slower tempo of the numbers, such as 'The Confrontation', and I love Roger Allam, and the original orchestration of 'Stars'.
Then the TAC because you get to see the singers. I love most actors there - Philip Quast, Colm Wilkinson, Antony Warlowe.
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Kragey
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olly wrote: |
Then the TAC because you get to see the singers. I love most actors there - Philip Quast, Colm Wilkinson, Antony Warlowe. |
Warlow wasn't in the anniversary concert. He couldn't leave The Secret Garden.
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flying_pigs
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Mine would have to be OLC, it was the first Les Mis I introduced to and is really good in my books. It has some great voices and orginal versions of some songs and original songs too!
However, this recording is not perfect and I, personally, don't think there is such a thing as a perfect recording.
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The_Wicked
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A paradox indeed... I would have to say (like almost everyone else) the TAC (I like calling it "The DREAM Cast" though). Anyway, Michael Ball is simply amazing as always and I thought he and Lea Salonga had really good chemistry together. I hate OBC Marius. I HATE HIM. Philip Quast is the best Javert I have heard to date because he is just so passionate about his character. Ruthie Henshall is the best Fantine to me. I do like the OBC Cosette better than Judy Khun though. And Frances Ruffelle IS Eponine to me. Lea Salonga has a gorgeous voice but yes I believe she is too proper for Eponine. I LOVE TAC Gavroche to death. And Colm... well Colm is Colm and I love him. He can't play any other part really (oh how he tries though) but he is Valjean to me. He just is.
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Colle
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For those who say that Lea Salonga is too "classy" as Eponine, I will say I kind of see your point but than I don't. Let me explain more, Lea's overpronoucation at times, especially during "On My Own," are enough to hide how pretty Lea's voice actually is, for me anyway. Also, the anger and thoughness Lea brings to the role, at times, does help too. Still, I believe I can see that Lea's approach would not work for everyone, but it still does for me.
About the cuts in the TAC, since I have seen the show(twice), I agree the cuts are a little disappointing. I would have loved to have seen Lea in the "Robbery" scene and "Eponine's Errand." Micheal Ball is great on the CSR in the "Wedding" scene, so I would have liked to have seen him in that scene. Probably the best part of Judy Kuhn's "In My Life"(where Cosette is trying to get Valjean to talk about there past) was cut too.
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DarthRevan00m9
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What amazes me is that there are so many different recordings and each one is different in both good and bad ways.
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Fantine
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DarthRevan00m9 wrote: | What amazes me is that there are so many different recordings and each one is different in both good and bad ways. |
Amen
There simply isn't one perfect recording.
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DarthRevan00m9
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Ya unless you like took all the recordins and some how shoved them onto one big recording lol.
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Orestes Fasting
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I find the PRC best overall--I think there's only one performance on the whole CD that is anything short of wonderful, which is a higher overall standard than any of the English recordings. Not to mention it sounds beautiful in French, and the finale is indescribable. Mmmmm. I suppose I'd put the TAC second, because while there are some standout singers on it, better individually than their PRC counterparts, there are also some people who annoy the hell out of me, and a couple whom I prefer on other recordings. I also love the Duisburg highlights.
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olly
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Kragey wrote: | olly wrote: |
Then the TAC because you get to see the singers. I love most actors there - Philip Quast, Colm Wilkinson, Antony Warlowe. |
Warlow wasn't in the anniversary concert. He couldn't leave The Secret Garden. |
Oh yeah - he was in the CSR. But I still prefer the TAC Enjolras; who was he? He was my favorite.
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B3TA07
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^Michael Maguire.
For me, it's CSR all the way. I think disliking Gary Morris is even more overrated than the TAC. He is great.
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The Very Angry Woman
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DarthRevan00m9 wrote: | Ya unless you like took all the recordins and some how shoved them onto one big recording lol. |
I actually did that once, in the time pre-computer. I made my own CSR on two tapes, using every cast recording I had, including Nagoya (only for crowd scenes where the language was not discernable).
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Kragey
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The Very Angry Woman wrote: | DarthRevan00m9 wrote: | Ya unless you like took all the recordins and some how shoved them onto one big recording lol. |
I actually did that once, in the time pre-computer. I made my own CSR on two tapes, using every cast recording I had, including Nagoya (only for crowd scenes where the language was not discernable). |
...is it horrible that I think that might be fun?
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The Very Angry Woman
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No, not at all! Just make sure you have a cooperating stereo with double tape decks.
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Kragey
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The Very Angry Woman wrote: | No, not at all! Just make sure you have a cooperating stereo with double tape decks. |
Or a nice MP3 splicer.
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The Very Angry Woman
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Well, I was assuming you were going to do the entire thing the way I did eons ago. (Come on, that's more adventurous.)
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Kragey
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Adventurous, maybe, but tedious? Math class makes my life tedious enough already.
Not to hijack the thread: for all of the anti-OBC ranting I hear, I think Frances Ruffelle had a strong performance.
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B3TA07
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Kragey wrote: | I think Frances Ruffelle had a strong performance. |
She and Kaho own that role in my opinion.
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Timmy_Wishes he was Quast
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Ruffelle and Kaho...they seem to sum up Eponine. I First owned the TAC and liked the characters thoroughly. Lea was therefore my fisrt Eponine, comparing her to Ruffelle and Kaho is like Chalk and Cheese. No doubt Lea has the best "sound" in terms of acuuracy and overall appeal, but the former(s) both seem to have a more niave approach to Eponine, that is more accurate to the novel, particulary when you consider Eponine's dieing words "I think i was a little bit in love with you...." Quast IS Javert but i love Rodger Allam's interprtation, there is something about his harsh brutality of singing (Bad phrasing but its not a "pleasent" sound as such). Now i struggle when it comes to JVJ, Colm is the original but there is something "About" Garry Morris that makes me think...."YES" at some points, but Colm still holds the definitive BHH. Barry James is a Chilling Thenardier, much darker than the bubbly charcater protayed by Alun Armstrong. The same can be said of Gay Soper, although i prefer her over Jenny Galloway and Sue Jane Tanner because her voice is shrill to annoy anyone and you can see how people can suffer at her hands! Anthony Warlow is Enjolras, I WOULD die for him!!! Cossette has to be Rebecca Caine (OLC) she just soars through the notes like they don't exist! WOW! Most other Cosettes in my opinion become shrill and winny! (wasn't Judy Kuhn OBC Cossette ,The_Wicked?!) Marius...well Micheal Ball is good, although i do like to hear different interprtations (OBC and Manchester Highlights) he probably is the definitive Marius! I think i've covered most of the roles there! Mine is probably the CSR as it is the ENTIRE show!!!
Though i wish I could have the following cast on recording:
JVJ : Sean Kingsley! (i know not mentioned above but he took you through every step on JVJ's reformation!)
Javert: Quast
M.T : Gay Soper
T : Barry James
Ep. : Ruffelle
Enj. : Anthony Warlow
Mar. : Ball
Cos. : Caine
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The_Wicked
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I suppose she was... Kudos to you for pointing that out to me. She just sounds better on the OBC I guess. Although she has a completely different quality to her voice... I just can't pinpoint it... I agree Frances Ruffelle has her best sound on the OBC and I think she owns that role too. Although I do genuinely like her voice. It's pretty to me. I found out HIS name... David Bryant. Well David Bryant can burn in hell because he ruined that character!!! AGGGHHHH!!! I'm cool. I also like Leo Burmester as Thenardier. He just creeped the devil outta me.
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The Very Angry Woman
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Timmy_Wishes he was Quast wrote: | Anthony Warlowe is Enjolras, I WOULD die for him!!! |
Be sure to take that extra "e" with you as you sail off that cliff.
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Timmy_Wishes he was Quast
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Whoops...thanx for the spelling error! I shall amend my post!
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Kragey
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I don't see Frances' Eponine as naive at all...however, hearing her live is very different from hearing her on a studio recording. Kaho, however, was definitely a more "innocent" and misunderstood Eponine, and she's one of my favorite portrayals.
Now, considering that Frances Ruffelle is like the definitive Eponine, I still think Sutton Foster absolutely owned the part. Nobody got me more in to the character than her, nor has anyone ever belted out "On My Own" so perfectly.
It's rather harsh to say someone can "burn in Hell" for portraying a character in a manner you don't like. I wasn't fond of his Marius, but his voice isn't horrible. I didn't like Terrence Mann's Javert, either, but I'm not running around damning him for it.
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Elin
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My favorites:
Prague 2004 (live and complete)
Stockholm
Paris revival
Concept album
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Moci
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Kragey wrote: |
Not to hijack the thread: for all of the anti-OBC ranting I hear, I think Frances Ruffelle had a strong performance. |
I'd have said she was better on the OLC recording though.
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olly
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Is there a recording, besides the TAC, with Michael Maguire as Enjolras?
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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The_Wicked wrote: | I do like the OBC Cosette better than Judy Khun though. |
Judy Kuhn *was* the OBC Cosette.
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flying_pigs
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olly wrote: | Is there a recording, besides the TAC, with Michael Maguire as Enjolras? |
OBC
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Bex
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going back to the point about fav eponine's in my mind Kaho is fantastic! not only is her devlivery of practically every note ideal, she doesnt even speak english!
It's during 'on my own' in the CSR on 'pretending' it sends shivers down my spine every time! it sums up the song in one word!
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The_Wicked
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To Kragey: Obviously I'm not actually damning someone to burn in Hell for their portrayal of a fictitious character. I'm simply being dramatic (as actors are quite prone to doing) and saying that he was simply... poor in the part. I am sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. And I completely agree with you on Sutton Foster. Never have I heard "On My Own" sung so well. By anyone. Ever. Sutton Foster is amazing and I wish there was a recording of her as Eponine but, alas, there is not...
To Mademoiselle Lanoire: Yes, thank you we have already established that. *see 7 posts above yours*
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Kragey
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Moci wrote: | Kragey wrote: |
Not to hijack the thread: for all of the anti-OBC ranting I hear, I think Frances Ruffelle had a strong performance. |
I'd have said she was better on the OLC recording though. |
Her voice cracking in "A Little Fall of Rain" kind of makes my ears hurt.
OLC or OBC, whichever you prefer, I will always always ALWAYS say that she sounds a thousand times better live.
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LesMisForever
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Hello
I am not fan of Frances. I am Lea's fan. But i have to agree with "Kragey". Based on the live clips i have seen, she is much better than on the cast recordings.
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convict24601
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Please... Send me those live Frances clips. I'd love to hear them.
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Kragey
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LesMisForever wrote: | Hello
I am not fan of Frances. I am Lea's fan. But i have to agree with "Kragey". Based on the live clips i have seen, she is much better than on the cast recordings. |
What's up with the quotation marks? That's my name. Feel free to just type it.
Quique uploaded 2/3 of the OLC at the Barbican several months ago. It should be floating around the Les Mis forum somewhere.
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Sairin
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Out of these, Paris Revival. I rather like the TAC for my Ruthie Henshall and Philip Quast though.
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eponinelover
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Hi. I picked Paris Revival, because I like Robert Marion. Actually, I don't have any problem with the whole cast except Stephanie Martin. Her scream in Attack On Rue Plumet makes me cringe, but her Mon Histoire isn't that bad. It's just I think her voice is too sweet for an Eponine to me.
I also like the CSR, but Gary Morris also makes me cringe. Kaho is my fav Eponine, but, again, I don't like her scream. I'd have to say my favorite scream is on the OLC (Frances Rufelle) My fav JVJ is Colm, my fav Enjie is Anthony Warlow, my fav Cosette is Judy Cunn, and my fav Marius is Michael Ball.
As incredible as it may seem, I do not own the TAC, but I have borrowed it from the library, both in CD and VHS.
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The Very Angry Woman
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eponinelover wrote: | Hi. I picked Paris Revival, because I like Robert Marion. |
Quote: | my fav Cosette is Judy Cunn |
Marien.
Kuhn.
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Fantine
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The Very Angry Woman wrote: | eponinelover wrote: | Hi. I picked Paris Revival, because I like Robert Marion. |
Quote: | my fav Cosette is Judy Cunn |
Marien.
Kuhn. |
And if you just replace the last 'n' with a 't'...
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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Fantine wrote: | The Very Angry Woman wrote: | eponinelover wrote: | Hi. I picked Paris Revival, because I like Robert Marion. |
Quote: | my fav Cosette is Judy Cunn |
Marien.
Kuhn. |
And if you just replace the last 'n' with a 't'... |
I take it you have something against her?
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Fantine
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No not really actually, I just found it amusing.
I didn't quite like her on the TAC... But that's it. I think she's amazing as Pocahontas.
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happyguava
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I love the CSR. You get to hear the whole thing, and it has dear Anthony Warlow
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