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| olly |
Curious... Illegal Stuff??I have, for the first time, digressed from just the Les Mis forum to the other musical forums... I was very surprised to see that there have been many illegal productions. For example, amatures have no right to perform Phantom for the score is not available. However, people have said that they have seen some amature productions which have had the replies of "they were illegal production". How is this possible??Another example, people (including myself) have been surprised at the fact that the confrontation isnt in the School Edition. Some people have replied explaining that many of the SE productions have put on the Confrontation anyhow... How do they obtain the score?? Another thing - what prevents Schools from obtaining the full score of Les Mis (not the SE) off sites (eg mtishows.com) surely if I, a student, wanted to put on Les Mis, but thought that the compilation of the SE wasnt very good, I could just get the normal score? Thanks Olly |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Re: Curious... Illegal Stuff??
Cameron Mackintosh.
Wow. You are SO deluded. Unelss you're in Australia or New Zealand, you can't legally perform the entire show. |
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| olly |
you can't get the normal score? go on mtishows.com and it says there is a TEMPORARY restriction on the score. The reason that I am "SO deluded" is the fact that I am only a young student and thus have no idea about obtaining amature scores..
Also, how do some schools do the full Confrontation for SE productions... (and 'illegal' Phantom productions) Thanks |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
They will be releasing regional rights in the future; it's a matter of when. See: http://members5.boardhost.com/lesmis3nt/msg/9579.html
They have unlawful ambition. |
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| olly |
Thanks
link was great bloody annoying though! I was hoping to perform the musical (not SE) in February 2007. Well, anyway, if we have to put up with the Se production, i'll find a way to incorporate the Conforntation. Thanks PS - if anyone has any advice on how to get the Confrontation into the SE production.... |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
If you can't deal with the restrictions set in your contract, pick another show. |
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| Jordan |
TVAW I think you should say what you think sometimes, let it all out 
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| The Very Angry Woman |
You're right. My New Year's resolution is to be more forward and opinionated. I'm just way too repressed. | ||||
| Lesmiserables24601 |
WhooBoy its great living in Australia, huh? Oh and Olly I'm still going to get the'confrontation' score for you but alas I'm in the middle of tertiary entrance exams and can't really be within four miles of my school.In our production, the SE, we got a copy of the entire score by registering as a professional company through and then re - applied as a SE production, after photocopying the complete score - lovely and illegal that is. We have re - integrated many parts of the show back into the production but alas we must also do some parts as the only cuts you can apply are the ones they provide. Arghh I have to lift a cart on my back and people have to move around the space in slow motion, arasfhhasfghhhhh. |
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| olly |
lesmiserables24601-
Hi, I've sent you an email, just checking if you'd got it, as I've tried emailing another person on this forum and it didn't work (it's probably my fault). Thanks Olly |
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| Moci |
Have you considered that one reason why the full 'Confrontation' may not be in the SE score is because they don't want it to be massacred by bad productions? | ||||
| Descartes |
That hasn't stopped other shows. Des. |
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| olly |
They don't want it massaccred by bad productions... Ok, if you can say that, then what stops me saying - they should take One Day More! out as well as Empty Chairs, as well as Stars, as well as Red and Black, as well as Master of the House, as well as A Heart Full of Love, as well as Do You Hear The People Sing?... The list could go on and on and on and on and on! There are many more trickier songs in the musical than the Confrontation; some of them being signature songs of the musical (One Day More!), so Mackintosh can't take out the Confrontation (or any songs for that matter) because he doesn't want it to be butchered, as that defeats the object of 'protecting' songs (so to speak). You're most likely going to have the two best singers and actors on stage singing the Conforntaion, whereas, with One Day More! you have a Hell of a lot more singers that are less-able - two good singers from a school would be able to pull off the Confrontation far better than a large group with many more less-able singers trying to pull off a signature song. | ||||
| Moci |
They aren't as easily massacred, most don't depend on the strict timing of the performance, in One Day More, whilst admittedly dependant on time, is also pretty essential to the plot. The 'Confrontation' can be just about missed out as it is in the SE without affecting plot too much.
What I don't understand is, if it's not there, why you are so set on performing it. If it's not in the licensed SE version, they don't want you doing it, it's as simple as that. |
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| olly |
I think its one of the best songs of the musical and I think its a great shame that it has been left out of the school edition, thats why. The other songs don't depend on timing as much?! Admittedly, the Conforntation does depend on timing, but its not THAT hard (I have a friend in the N England whos done SE) and as I say, your most likley going to have two of the most musically experienced people in the school singing it... I'm sorry if I sound (whatever you want to put there), but I just don't see why they'd cut it out becuase its slightly tricky timing?!?! If the school has the talent to put on Les Mis, then they have the talent to sing the Confrontation!! Therefore, I do not think that CM would take out the confrontation because he doesn't want it massacred/too 'tricky' timing![/quote] |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Wow, you're arrogant. Guess what? He was part of the creative team that figured out what would get cut from the SE production. Here's an idea: You aren't that special. You aren't any more special, or talented, or outstanding than any other school who wants to put on a fantastic SE. So get the rights, suck it up, and perform it AS STATED IN YOUR CONTRACT. Or pick another show. Or, maybe you can send a demo tape to Cameron Mackintosh and MTI to show them how exceptional you are, and they'll send you a certificate and special decoder ring that lets you legally reinsert those 2 minutes of music. MTI does send spies out to random SEs. Just a thought. |
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| olly |
at no point was i intending to sound special - all i was doing was stating why i thought CM wouldnt cut the song for the argued reason. perhaps i was wrong and accept that, but i dont see how you looked upon me as arrogant as all i was doing was stating i dont think they should have cut song, wished they didnt, and said i didnt think they would cut them because they were too tricky. Please read back to my posts and, if you find any post that puts me across in an arrogant way, please quote me, and if credible, I will admit. However I disagree with what you've said. I admit I may be wrong by the fact WHY CM has cut songs, however, as I've said, I am only assuming and putting accross my point of view, as others are.
So pardon me for extremely enjoying "those 2 minutes of music", but no certificate is needed. Thanks |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
I'm not going to take this any further (well, unless I rediscover something that amuses me), but you did come across as having some kind of entitlement issues, whether or not that was your intention. Your incredulous flailing at the AUDACITY THAT CAMMACK WOULD TAKE OUT CONFRONTATION OMG was rather entertaining, though. | ||||
| olly |
i wont take it further.. Ok, its all resolved...
however, entitlement issues are fine - everyone is happy disappointed about somethings - me about this. I never said audacity - i was just rather sad andsurprised. Last rant I promise!! 
sorry, all is good
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| Frank_Rind |
Having read the licensing agreement for my school's 'Les Miserables - School Edition' I can assure all that the terms of agreement are extremely strict in terms of making extra cuts or inserting extra music. This licensing agreement has a much more discernible Nazi tone compared to others from previous musicals my school has done. The licensor obviously takes the matter very seriously, and the consequences of illegal activity could not just have your show canned permanently, but result in a lawsuit and, seeing as you've signed a contract, a lawsuit you have no possible chance to win. So unless you fancy MTI taking your house and all your possessions (including most probably your dignity), I would keep the Confrontation (and the middle section of 'Little Fall of Rain' that consistently creeps back in to SE productions) OUT. In reference to the latter, I'd just like to say...Eponine should be too injured to sing the C on "blessed" anyway. Dying girls don't belt, and teenage girls don't realise that. Grrr. Pet hate. Also, re the "spies"...as per the licensing agreement, all productions must provide two free show tickets to MTI, and forward all publicity and program material for approval. So introducing illegal material to your performance would be taking a very big risk, seeing as MTI representatives could show up at any moment...I'd be far too paranoid to make changes. |
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| Lesmiserables24601 |
Classic. Anyways, Methinks the only reason The Confrontation was cut was the same reason as just about every other cut. Erroenous information. Do we need to hear that Jean Valjean is more physically powerful than Javert? Do we need to hear how Eponine is in a situation that is heaven blessed? Just a thought. Anyways why did they ever include all of On My Own? If I hear one more post - (or pre, sadly enough,) teen singing it I will be forced to sandpaper my entire body and roll around in bath salts. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Don't forget, if you have knowledgable audience members, they may feel motivated to call or e-mail MTI after seeing your show if they so wish. Not that I've ever done that. Ahem. |
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| Moci |
I know this discussion has ended, more or less, but to anyone who thinks they won't get caught doing an illegal production of something, look here. | ||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
That story made my day. |
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| DarthRevan00m9 |
Here in America broadway is being dumb and are stopping Les Mis productoins (AND I NEVER GOT TO SEE IT AARRRGGGG!!!!). Anyways the guy who last directed it is writing a new school version. Also I went to the MTI website and it listed a school version AND a normal version. | ||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
1) What the hell are you on? 2) May I have some? |
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| DarthRevan00m9 |
if you don't like hearing kids sing it then leave, have you ever even acted Iyourself? It is so much fun and Les Mis is a GREAT show. So i really don't give a crap if the kids suck or if they are fricken awsome just let them train. You know the saying practice makes perfect. So I say let them have their fun and just leave them alone.
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| DarthRevan00m9 |
I have not a clue what you are talking about. The "AAARRRGGG" was a cry of agony at not being able to see a totally awsome show.
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Sure, youth theatre productions and school productions are great. Training, bonding, blah blah blah. And yes, they are kids who are learning. However, a paying audience should at least expect some shred of entertainment, and not neccessarily the train wrecky kind. |
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| DarthRevan00m9 |
Listen in small scale productions when kids suck, It's mainly just grandparents/relatives and or the school that they are proforming at that ever see the show. Also you should never go into a school production (Especially a small school) expecting to see anything but crap that way you will never be dissapointed. |