Kragey
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Having a dumb moment.Google isn't giving me anything.
In the novel, Victor Hugo references both Montparnasse and Marius to "Nemorin". And for the life of me, I can not remember who Nemorin is.
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Fantine
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I don't remember anything about that guy either... Are you sure that this is the right name?
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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Re: Having a dumb moment. | Kragey wrote: | Google isn't giving me anything.
In the novel, Victor Hugo references both Montparnasse and Marius to "Nemorin". And for the life of me, I can not remember who Nemorin is. |
I'll second Fantine's comment. If it's in the novel, surely Googling it should have turned up an online text.
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Fantine
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Re: Having a dumb moment. | Mademoiselle Lanoire wrote: | | Kragey wrote: | Google isn't giving me anything.
In the novel, Victor Hugo references both Montparnasse and Marius to "Nemorin". And for the life of me, I can not remember who Nemorin is. |
I'll second Fantine's comment. If it's in the novel, surely Googling it should have turned up an online text. |
Yes definitely..
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Kragey
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It turns up an online text of Les Miserables. In fact, it turns up dozens of them. But it doesn't turn up anything BESIDES Les Miserables. Nemorin is either a historical figure or a literary/mythology persona, judging by the references made to him, but there are no footnotes as to who Nemorin was/is. (As in, he's not a character in the novel, it's like the references to generals and fairy tale characters Hugo makes...but I can't connect Nemorin to anyone.)
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DarthRevan00m9
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It was probably either 1: A well known French character or more likely it was 2: A popular character at the time Les Mis was written.
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Kragey
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| DarthRevan00m9 wrote: | | It was probably either 1: A well known French character or more likely it was 2: A popular character at the time Les Mis was written. |
See, that's what I was thinking, but all of the other popular/French characters, and even the unpopular ones, are noted in a footnote. There's never one for Nemorin in any text I own or can find.
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DarthRevan00m9
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Hmm well i dont quite remember that part of the book (It's been a year or two since I last read it). Are you sure it isnt a character that was previously in the book? If not maybe the footnotes simply missed it.
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Orestes Fasting
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Can you give the volume, book, and chapter for the references? I have a couple of shiny annotated editions that might have it footnoted.
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Kragey
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Can you give the volume, book, and chapter for the references? I have a couple of shiny annotated editions that might have it footnoted. |
You. Me. Babies.
My abridged edition only has the Nemorin reference to Montparnasse, but I've read the unabridged and an online version, and they also contain a reference to Nemorin/Marius. So, using online-literature.com's version:
Marius -- Volume V - JEAN VALJEAN - Chapter 2
Montparnasse -- Volume IV - EPONINE - Chapter 2
And no, Nemorin is not a character in the book; it's used like any other "famous figure" reference Hugo makes.
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Kragey
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Dude. Are you telling me nobody knows this? O_O
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Orestes Fasting
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Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian.
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Kragey
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
You know, you're the first person who has EVER known the answer to this. :: molests ::
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Orestes Fasting
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| Kragey wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
You know, you're the first person who has EVER known the answer to this. :: molests :: |
Funny thing is, I just got my second overdue notice for that edition from the school library.  They never gave me a first overdue notice! Or specified a due date at all!
In any case, renewal is my frieeeend. *strokes shiny annotated Brick* So totally worth a few late fees.
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badbananahabit
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What did you think of the book? I'm considering buying it...
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Aimee
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Do it. You wont regret it. Its wonderful.
It makes you  and  and  all at the same time.
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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And make sure it isn't the abridged version.
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badbananahabit
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Excellent, I shall progress onward to the bookshop...once I've finished "Phantom of the Opera".
I was only stalling after the only review of Les Mis (the book) was pretty horrific, by a friend.
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Eponine1832
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"The Phantom of the Opera"..such an amazing book! I read it straight after Les Mis and was glad of a slightly easier read
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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I have yet to read "Phantom of the Opera", because it's unavailable at my lcoal library. Does anyone know of any sites with it available online? I think it's public domain...
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Fantine
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I'd love to read it as well... I don't think that my local library has it either.
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Orestes Fasting
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Project Gutenberg and a bunch of other free ebook sites have it. Unfortunately the only public-domain translation is crap, but it's the same one everyone's read unless they specifically went out hunting for a better one.
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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I do know French, so it doesn't have to be a translation...
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Fantine
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Project Gutenberg and a bunch of other free ebook sites have it. Unfortunately the only public-domain translation is crap, but it's the same one everyone's read unless they specifically went out hunting for a better one. |
Thanks! 
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Orestes Fasting
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| Mademoiselle Lanoire wrote: | | I do know French, so it doesn't have to be a translation... |
It's far more difficult to find a copy in French online than in English, actually, since the translations are public domain but the original is still protected by France's copyright laws. I did manage to find one through Google, but no guarantees on how long it'll be there.
http://www.serveur-helene.org/.../download.pl?fiFormat=19&fiBook=1314&fiName=fantomedeloperale_leroux_1.rtf
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Bex
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do you not think it's ironic that the French now have it under copyright laws but when Hugo first wrote it he shunned by the french government for writting it and as a result when he died his body was banned from certain cemertaries!
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Fantine
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| Bex wrote: | | do you not think it's ironic that the French now have it under copyright laws but when Hugo first wrote it he shunned by the french government for writting it and as a result when he died his body was banned from certain cemertaries! |
It's not Les Mis that we're talking about, but The Phantom of the Opera...
Les Mis is not protected by copyright laws.
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PublicFlogging
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif"
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Fantine
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| PublicFlogging wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif" |
That's very interesting. I love this idea somehow.
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Orestes Fasting
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Indeed--and the allusion casts a different light on the end of that sentence, which mentions that he had led Eponine off somewhere.
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PublicFlogging
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| Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif" |
That's very interesting. I love this idea somehow. |
Not so much in the musical, but it the book Victor Hugo hints on more then one occasion that there may be something romantice between Eponine and Montparnasse. Another prominate allusion made in the book is when it is mentioned that Montparnasse is almost a son-in-law to Eponine's father.
Anyway, I'm glad somebody else likes this... observation. I firmly beileve that Eponine is far cuter with Montparnasse then she could ever hope to be with Marius.
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Fantine
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| PublicFlogging wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif" |
That's very interesting. I love this idea somehow. |
Not so much in the musical, but it the book Victor Hugo hints on more then one occasion that there may be something romantice between Eponine and Montparnasse. Another prominate allusion made in the book is when it is mentioned that Montparnasse is almost a son-in-law to Eponine's father.
Anyway, I'm glad somebody else likes this... observation. I firmly beileve that Eponine is far cuter with Montparnasse then she could ever hope to be with Marius. |
I like the pairing of Eponine x Montparnasse. I don't find it cute as in the direct sense of that word, but it is very intruiging. I like reading serious fanfics about those two. It must be a difficult relationship, and not at all rainbows and butterflies, such as Marius x Cosette.
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PublicFlogging
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| Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif" |
That's very interesting. I love this idea somehow. |
Not so much in the musical, but it the book Victor Hugo hints on more then one occasion that there may be something romantice between Eponine and Montparnasse. Another prominate allusion made in the book is when it is mentioned that Montparnasse is almost a son-in-law to Eponine's father.
Anyway, I'm glad somebody else likes this... observation. I firmly beileve that Eponine is far cuter with Montparnasse then she could ever hope to be with Marius. |
I like the pairing of Eponine x Montparnasse. I don't find it cute as in the direct sense of that word, but it is very intruiging. I like reading serious fanfics about those two. It must be a difficult relationship, and not at all rainbows and butterflies, such as Marius x Cosette. |
I think its plenty cute, but my consept of cute is alittle twisted.  That intruig you mentioned will make me go 'aww' sooner then the rainbows and butterflies will.
Do you have any links to said fanfictions? I've only read maybe two really good ones. Most of what I find has Montparnasse acting an extreme; either overly fluffy and out of the character, or constantally beatting the crap out of Eponine.
EDIT: This is probably the best one I've read: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2287447/1/
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Fantine
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| PublicFlogging wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif" |
That's very interesting. I love this idea somehow. |
Not so much in the musical, but it the book Victor Hugo hints on more then one occasion that there may be something romantice between Eponine and Montparnasse. Another prominate allusion made in the book is when it is mentioned that Montparnasse is almost a son-in-law to Eponine's father.
Anyway, I'm glad somebody else likes this... observation. I firmly beileve that Eponine is far cuter with Montparnasse then she could ever hope to be with Marius. |
I like the pairing of Eponine x Montparnasse. I don't find it cute as in the direct sense of that word, but it is very intruiging. I like reading serious fanfics about those two. It must be a difficult relationship, and not at all rainbows and butterflies, such as Marius x Cosette. |
I think its plenty cute, but my consept of cute is alittle twisted. That intruig you mentioned will make me go 'aww' sooner then the rainbows and butterflies will.
Do you have any links to said fanfictions? I've only read maybe two really good ones. Most of what I find has Montparnasse acting an extreme; either overly fluffy and out of the character, or constantally beatting the crap out of Eponine.
EDIT: This is probably the best one I've read: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2287447/1/ |
Yes, I have read that before, the author, Nebulia (Meliara on M.net), is in my favorite authors list.
I wrote a fic based on novel Eponine. It's quite angsty and has some Montparnasse/Eponine in it, but not really in a relationship. And Parnasse is violent towards her, so I'm not sure if you'll like it.
(It might also contain some bad English since I'm not a native speaker, but still):
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2094469/1/
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PublicFlogging
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| Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | PublicFlogging wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Oops, thread fell off the top of the board and I forgot to look it up. But Allem's annotated edition says that Nemorin is the lover of a girl named Estelle in a novel titled, predictably, Estelle et N�morin, by someone called Florian. |
So that means when Marius and Montparnasse are called Nemorin, they're being refered to as lovers?
Thank god, I've been trying to figure out what Victor Hugo ment when he said "Montparnasse....preferring to be Nemorin with the daughter then Schinderhannes with the father." for hours. Internet searches yeilded that Schinderhannes was a theif, but nowhere could I find who Nemorin was.
Haha, but now I finally get it! "Montparnasse would rather be Eponine's lover then Thenardier's theif" |
That's very interesting. I love this idea somehow. |
Not so much in the musical, but it the book Victor Hugo hints on more then one occasion that there may be something romantice between Eponine and Montparnasse. Another prominate allusion made in the book is when it is mentioned that Montparnasse is almost a son-in-law to Eponine's father.
Anyway, I'm glad somebody else likes this... observation. I firmly beileve that Eponine is far cuter with Montparnasse then she could ever hope to be with Marius. |
I like the pairing of Eponine x Montparnasse. I don't find it cute as in the direct sense of that word, but it is very intruiging. I like reading serious fanfics about those two. It must be a difficult relationship, and not at all rainbows and butterflies, such as Marius x Cosette. |
I think its plenty cute, but my consept of cute is alittle twisted. That intruig you mentioned will make me go 'aww' sooner then the rainbows and butterflies will.
Do you have any links to said fanfictions? I've only read maybe two really good ones. Most of what I find has Montparnasse acting an extreme; either overly fluffy and out of the character, or constantally beatting the crap out of Eponine.
EDIT: This is probably the best one I've read: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2287447/1/ |
Yes, I have read that before, the author, Nebulia (Meliara on M.net), is in my favorite authors list.
I wrote a fic based on novel Eponine. It's quite angsty and has some Montparnasse/Eponine in it, but not really in a relationship. And Parnasse is violent towards her, so I'm not sure if you'll like it.
(It might also contain some bad English since I'm not a native speaker, but still):
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2094469/1/ |
I'll give it a read Its not the violence that bothers me, its the excess of it.
And don't worry about the english; I'm a native speaker, but I can't spell well either.
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Orestes Fasting
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I wrote one as well. It's very odd and doesn't make a lot of sense, but it fulfils the requirement of Montparnasse/Eponine sans ridiculous amounts of abuse. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2925162/1/
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Fantine
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | I wrote one as well. It's very odd and doesn't make a lot of sense, but it fulfils the requirement of Montparnasse/Eponine sans ridiculous amounts of abuse. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2925162/1/ |
Haha and you used that quote I'll save it to my fave's to read it later.
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