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Eponine Girl	How do you like your characters sings them songs? I was just thinking, I don't listen to Les Mis much anymore, but I remember that if I heard like, a tenor or a high baritone as Javert I wouldn't like it at all. So I was wondering what your preferences are in the voice of the characterss. For example, I prefer javert to be a bass or a baritone with an overbearingly dark tone, but not a normal baritone.
Eponine_Fantine	Valjean: Has to be a tenor...BHH is just bad if he's not... Javert: I like the really low, dark bass sound for Javert Fantine: Strong, powerful mezzo voice, but not too belty...kind of a darker tone, but still pretty Cosette: Typical operatic soprano Eponine: Strong, powerful, belty...but not too nasally (like Frances Rufelle on the OBC ) I don't really have specifics for any others...they just have to be good....
olly	Valjean - Very Strong tenor, however with a husky quality (Colm) Javert - I really like the baritonal bass quality of a dark Javert, however must be able to hit the higher notes strongly and in tune (Philip Quast) Fantine - A more melodic voice compared to other women, however a strong voice (TAC) Cosette - Strong soprano; a belter. Eponine - A strong mezzo, belty. She should be able to sing with strong emotion. Enjolras - Well, what is there to say? Extremely strong tenor who hits the notes perfectly. Belty (needs strong entrance in ODM!) Powerful Marius - Tenor, though strong (ECAET). Sing with emotion Thenardier - Must have the accent that Armstrong does so well. Tenor (A flat). Sing with humour in the voice MMe T - Angry (though comic). not much to say with her... I don't really know women's voices very well, however I know how I like them to sound (may have gotten some of the technecal terms incorrect...
The Very Angry Woman	I don't care what the range is, as long as the performer can hit the notes. I've heard baritenor Javerts and Marii, and baritone Valjeans before, and it was the performer who convinced me it can be pulled off when before it had never really occurred to me.
Aphrodite	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Marii That made me smile. As for me, it's more of a case of acting than singinig. If the singer's vocal quality is enough to be performing the show, it is my guess that no matter what their voice type is, they can hit the notes and add their own interpretationi to them. It's this interpretation which is what separates the good from the spectacular.
Orestes Fasting	I have to say that I haven't had enough exposure to different interpretations to have an opinion on most of the characters, but there are a few that I'm choosy about: Fantine--One of the few roles where I'd say brighter is better. The darker tone used by, say, Patti LuPone or Debbie Byrne is, I think, inappropriate for Fantine, and makes her sound too mature. Javert--Very partial to a bass/low baritone along the lines of PQ or Roger Allam. Cosette--Must agree with Eponine_Fantine that a traditonal light operatic sound is best here. Ixnay on the brightness, glass-shattering vibrato, overly Americanized diction, etc.
Eponine Girl	I thought people would disagree about Javert! I love the darkest voice for him too, of course no true bass can go above E usually though, they are rare as shit anyway.
Aimee	Eponine_Fantine wrote: Valjean: Has to be a tenor...BHH is just bad if he's not... Actually most Valjean's are baritones. They have a big range yes but without the strength in the bottom of the voice they sound too lightweight.
javertsw	Javert needs to have a deep sounding voice. It needs to be dark, and not light. Fantine should not be belty. Cosette should be a pretty soprano, but not dramatic or wobbly or too much vibrato. More musical theatre than operatic. Eponine's voice should sound slightly un-pretty, a bit harsh. Needs to be contrasting to Cosette or Fantine. I like her a bit belty, but not over belty.
Kragey	While I'm open to all interpretations of a character, there are some I prefer more than others. I love it when Marius and Cosette have very clear, youthful voices, whereas I prefer comical and interesting Thenardiers to a bland character. I also love a very dark, bone-chilling bass/baritone for Javert...and a youthful-sounding Fantine.
Quique	Soprano... Makes no difference to me. I'll be happy with nearly anything, as long as they act the hell out of their roles and the Fantine and Eponine aren't sopranos.
Aimee	Re: Soprano... Quique wrote: Makes no difference to me. I'll be happy with nearly anything, as long as they act the hell out of their roles and the Fantine and Eponine aren't sopranos. Nothing wrong with a soprano Fantine!!! I'd say that's just about perfect.
Meliara	Since we're on the subject... There's nothing wrong with a soprano Eponine either!!
Fantine	Meliara wrote: Since we're on the subject... There's nothing wrong with a soprano Eponine either!! Examples?
Aimee	One I know of is Jaime Farr who played Eponine [and Cosette]. I know she is a sporano cos I know her personally.
The Very Angry Woman	Fantine wrote: Meliara wrote: There's nothing wrong with a soprano Eponine either!! Examples? Gina Feliccia.
Meliara	Quote: Meliara wrote: Since we're on the subject... There's nothing wrong with a soprano Eponine either!! Examples? Actually, I was thinking of myself
Sairin	Fantine wrote: Meliara wrote: Since we're on the subject... There's nothing wrong with a soprano Eponine either!! Examples? Soprano Fantine: Carmen Cusack Soprano Eponine: Lydia Griffiths (u/s) Amanda Jane Callaghan (u/s)
Colle	More examples of soprano Eponine's: Lea Salonga and Ma-Anne Dionisio are considered sopranos, though for Eponine I think they both used their lower range most of the time. I would consider Rona Figueroa a soprano. Listening to her song on the "Dragonheart: A New Beginning" soundtrack made me remember how high pitched she sounded for an Eponine, though it was not too high enough to be annoying.
Eponine Girl	I think Kaho Shimada is a soprano, and she is by far and away my favorite Eponine! More famous Les Misites are probably sopranos than you think, most females are and some have the ability to sound mezzo-like in the range of these characters.
javertsw	I don't care what their actual range is... as long as they don't sing Eponine like a light soprano role. They could be amazing operatic sopranos for all I care, as long as Eponine sounds like an alto.
Moci	Sairin wrote: Soprano Eponine: Lydia Griffiths (u/s) Lydia Griffiths is actually more alto/mezzo than soprano, I seem to remember hearing. She's also said in interviews that when she was offered Cosette, she was very worried about singing that high, 8 times a week.
Eponine Girl	javertsw wrote: I don't care what their actual range is... as long as they don't sing Eponine like a light soprano role. They could be amazing operatic sopranos for all I care, as long as Eponine sounds like an alto. Well...I would personally prefer Eponine not sound like a man I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine?
Kragey	Eponine Girl wrote: Well...I would personally prefer Eponine not sound like a man I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? Um, most definitely. I'm an alto and I don't think I sound like a man at all, thank you very much.
nicnikniki	*Laughs* Smooth! Just kidding. An alto is technically from an F (below middle C) to a C (octave above middle C), which is hardly manlike - well I don't know many men who can sing up to the octave above middle C. I couldn't care what kind of a singer Eponine is (alto, mezzo, soprano) as long as they sing the right notes in the right key and they sound like Eponine. And I think that would be the way most Les Mis fans feel.
Orestes Fasting	Eponine Girl wrote: I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? *snerk* I don't think I've ever met a true contralto, at least in the classical sense. Just a bunch of sopranos and mezzos who were afraid of heights, so to speak.
Sairin	Orestes Fasting wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? *snerk* I don't think I've ever met a true contralto, at least in the classical sense. Just a bunch of sopranos and mezzos who were afraid of heights, so to speak. Mezzo is a choral definition anyway, so unless you have a bunch of contraltos playing Eponine then in the physical sense they're all sopranos with not much upper range.
Eponine Girl	Kragey wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Well...I would personally prefer Eponine not sound like a man I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? Um, most definitely. I'm an alto and I don't think I sound like a man at all, thank you very much. Well, all the true altos I have heard do have booming, virile lower ranges, and their voices are VERY distinguishable from other women. If a contralto played any part in LEs Mis, you'd know it. Now, all the stupid clips I have of Marian anderson and Lisa Gerrard and Yma Sumac I can't put on the internet. Marian Anderson sings well into the baritone range, Yma Sumac sings into the bass range, and Lisa Gerrard...well she's just low. Contralto roles may not go below that F below mid C, but their voices most certainly do (or have the tone I've been describing). Similar to how "basses" go down to E2 -- really most professional basses can probably go down to A1 or B1.
Kragey	Eponine Girl wrote: Kragey wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Well...I would personally prefer Eponine not sound like a man I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? Um, most definitely. I'm an alto and I don't think I sound like a man at all, thank you very much. Well, all the true altos I have heard do have booming, virile lower ranges, and their voices are VERY distinguishable from other women. If a contralto played any part in LEs Mis, you'd know it. Sure, I'd know it, quite in the same way I know when a soprano is singing. But having a "distinguishable" voice doesn't make them sound like men. Maybe I just hear things differently, but I've never confused a contralto woman for a man.
olly	Quote: she was very worried about singing that high, 8 times a week Unless I'm missing some humour, I just thought I'd good naturdley point out that there are 7 days in a week Olly
The Very Angry Woman	olly wrote: Unless I'm missing some humour, I just thought I'd good naturdley point out that there are 7 days in a week There are, but there are also 8 performances a week on the West End, on Broadway, and on most Equity US tours.
Lesmiserables24601	[quote="nicnikniki well I don't know many men who can sing up to the octave above middle C. [/quote] Sigh...one day, I'm only a tone away from the C an octave above middle. Sighh Hey i this witch of a girl, that believes she can hit a C below middle which I've read is a note in contralto range for women. She has rats in her hair as well - Frank Rind knows who I'm talking about. Unfortunately, she happens to be Eponine in our show. When she reaches the note in On my Own', the pretending, she just freezes and sort of begins to shake before shouting I'm not going to do it in rehearsal' urghhh two weeks before the show!
Aimee	Eponine Girl wrote: javertsw wrote: I don't care what their actual range is... as long as they don't sing Eponine like a light soprano role. They could be amazing operatic sopranos for all I care, as long as Eponine sounds like an alto. Well...I would personally prefer Eponine not sound like a man I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? Just to point out that this is a joke on himself. Eponine Girl claims to have played the role twice and IS a man. aka POC.
Moci	olly wrote: Quote: she was very worried about singing that high, 8 times a week Unless I'm missing some humour, I just thought I'd good naturdley point out that there are 7 days in a week How perceptive of you. However, matinee performances occur on Wednesdays and Saturdays and there is no performance on a Sunday in London.
Eponine Girl	Aimee wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: javertsw wrote: I don't care what their actual range is... as long as they don't sing Eponine like a light soprano role. They could be amazing operatic sopranos for all I care, as long as Eponine sounds like an alto. Well...I would personally prefer Eponine not sound like a man I think in musical theatre the definition of alto is different than mine? Just to point out that this is a joke on himself. Eponine Girl claims to have played the role twice and IS a man. aka POC. I like to think I added a bit of a surly quality to my Eponine.
Aimee	LOL, and a penis?
olly	Moci wrote: olly wrote: Quote: she was very worried about singing that high, 8 times a week Unless I'm missing some humour, I just thought I'd good naturdley point out that there are 7 days in a week How perceptive of you. However, matinee performances occur on Wednesdays and Saturdays and there is no performance on a Sunday in London. Of course! I knew I was missing something...
Eponine Girl	Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine.
olly	How old are you? Just wondering? Where did you play eponine, is there a reason why, or did you just really want to play the character?
Fantine
The Very Angry Woman	Eponine Girl wrote: Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine. Oh no, it's MarySueBot 2005! Run!
Eponine Girl	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine. Oh no, it's MarySueBot 2005! Run! I don;t get it?
Moci	Eponine Girl wrote: The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine. Oh no, it's MarySueBot 2005! Run! I don;t get it? 'Mary Sue'- it's a term used mostly in fan fiction, I think.
Eponine Girl	Mary Sue (or simply Sue) is a pejorative expression for a fictional character who is an idealized stand-in for the author, or for a story with such a character.Originally, the Mary Sue concept came out of Star Trek fan fiction and described an original female character who had a romantic liaison with an established, "canon" character, particularly if she possessed unrealistic or unlikely traits above and beyond those expected of a character in that particular series, or a conventional author surrogate. Am I supposed to know what ANY of those crazy words means?
The Very Angry Woman	Eponine Girl wrote: I don;t get it? A�d i;m ont surprised?
nicnikniki	Eponine Girl wrote: Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine. I honestly don't mean to be rude... but are you joking? I can't tell, because THAT (Read above quote) is the way I talk when I'm joking.
Fantine	nicnikniki wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine. but are you joking? Yes. That's sarcasm.
Eponine Girl	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: I don;t get it? A�d i;m ont surprised? You should put a sock in the spelling crusade, not all of us are wealthy educated folk!! And no, I'm not sarcastic. I know i've posted clips in the past, but here's one of the solos I performed at one of my recitals, "La Theme de Mario". I've also performed some Wagnerian repertoire, and such as "Leb Zelda Wohl Gammerfeilden"
Aimee	hehehe, I've heard it before and was very impressed, the tone is superb and the lyrics just blow we away. and nicnikniki, I expect you get the joke now.
Fantine	Eponine Girl wrote: The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: I don;t get it? A�d i;m ont surprised? I've also performed some Wagnerian repertoire, and such as "Leb Zelda Wohl Gammerfeilden" I would love to get something like that for my birthday too (Nov 24 3 days! )
Eponine Girl	Fantine wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: I don;t get it? A�d i;m ont surprised? I've also performed some Wagnerian repertoire, and such as "Leb Zelda Wohl Gammerfeilden" I would love to get something like that for my birthday too (Nov 24 3 days! ) Heh, I might as well make a proffessionally recorded CD while I'm at it! Seriously, I mean, a few recording agencies have already asked me...
The Very Angry Woman	Eponine Girl wrote: The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: I don;t get it? A�d i;m ont surprised? You should put a sock in the spelling crusade, not all of us are wealthy educated folk!! Because clearly to be able to spell at a 7th grade level requires an expensive private school.
olly	Come on, you're arguing about a typo of a colon use instead of an apostraphie. Now, yes it was a spelling mistake, no you do not need to be wealthy to have a 7th Grade education and I'm sure you can spell 'don't'.
The Very Angry Woman	Eponine Girl wrote: Seriously, I mean, a few recording agencies have already asked me... I'm not so sure. Is there a studio in the world that could fit both you and your ego?
Eponine Girl	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Seriously, I mean, a few recording agencies have already asked me... I'm not so sure. Is there a studio in the world that could fit both you and your ego? Well, people thought there wasn't an aquarium that could fit my pet squid, but where is he now? In a time portal.
nicnikniki	Fantine wrote: nicnikniki wrote: Eponine Girl wrote: Aimee wrote: LOL, and a penis? You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine. but are you joking? Yes. That's sarcasm. But I wasn't being sarcastic! *Sighs* That's the problem with the internet. Genuine questions come out sounding like sarcasm. Which you would have understannd if you properly READ all of my quote. And no I still don't get the joke. WERE you being serious?
Mim	nicnikniki- I think what she meant was that he, Eponine Girl, the one that posted Quote: "You can laugh all you want, I'd like to see you bring the same spark to the character I did, with my superb, heart-melting facial expressions, my excellent articulation, my polished, soul-stirringly dark contralto, and the sheer presence and command I have on stage as Eponine." was being sarcastic, not you. So no, he wasn't being serious. On topic: I know very little about ranges and such, not being a singer or musician. All I care about is that they sing the part well.
Lesmiserables24601	What's with the heightened ego's? Frankly, there is no reason for any of us to be waving our ego's about or measuring the sizes of our respective penises (or lack thereof!)
Fantine	Good God. Yes, Eponine Girl was being sarcastic. He is a MALE and therefore it is impossible for him to play Eponine. He has never played Eponine and never will, he is MAKING FUN of Eponine fangirls and is now probably laughing his ass off because you fell for it. Why does everything have to be spelled out?
Eponine Girl	Lesmiserables24601 wrote: What's with the heightened ego's? Frankly, there is no reason for any of us to be waving our ego's about or measuring the sizes of our respective penises (or lack thereof!) Oh.....well my pet squid was not an allusion to a penis.
nicnikniki	Fantine wrote: Good God. Yes, Eponine Girl was being sarcastic. He is a MALE and therefore it is impossible for him to play Eponine. He has never played Eponine and never will, he is MAKING FUN of Eponine fangirls and is now probably laughing his ass off because you fell for it. Why does everything have to be spelled out? Maybe because I didn't realise Eponine Girl WASN'T A GIRL? My bad Edit: Sorry Eponine Girl! I just realised what the post looked like. Maybe I needed to read some of your messages in other topics to realise you were a guy because I just assumed from the name, that you were a girl
Aimee	I did post that he was a boy earlier in the thread, explaing that it was a joke on himself for those who didn't know. You were not expected to know this otherwsie so don't feel bad.

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