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| Cloudy This Morning |
How many different recordings?In the interests of science, how many recordings of Les Miserables can a person own? I'm making myself a little list.I know there's : English : TAC, CSR, OLC, OBC, Manchester Collection Spanish : Madrid, Buenos Aries, Mexico City French : Paris Revival, French Concept (which I now own! Hee!) German : Duisburg, Vienna, Berlin Japanese : Red, Blue, Orange, Green, Violet, Light Blue Czech : Prague, Prague (live) Flemish : Belgium recording Hebrew : Tel Aviv Cast I know there are more, but I can't find anything. What else is there? |
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| olly |
Oooh, there's a hell of a lot of them. Here's a few pages of most of the recordings one can own of Les Miserables.
I think this is another, but the site is temporaraly unavailable. |
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| Mademoiselle Lanoire |
Swedish, Danish, Hungarian, and Korean. Not sure if any of those are even in print, though. | ||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
Im sure the last one isn't, at least. |
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| Mademoiselle Lanoire |
*stares* A typo from TVAW? Stop the presses! 
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| The Very Angry Woman |
GODDAMMIT | ||||
| Jordan |
It happens to even the best of us
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| Orestes Fasting |
Twenty-nine, to the best of my knowledge. In chronological order:
* 1980 - Concept Album (French) * 1985 - London (English) * 1987 - Broadway (English) * 1987 - Tel Aviv (Hebrew) * 1988 - Complete Symphonic Recording (English) * 1988 - Vienna (German) * 1988 - Budapest (Hungarian) * 1990 - Stockholm (Swedish) * 1991 - Paris revival (French) * 1991 - Amsterdam (Dutch) * 1992 - Denmark (Danish) * 1992 - Prague (Czech) * 1992 - Manchester (English) * 1993 - Korean * 1993 - Madrid (Spanish) * 1994 - Japanese Red cast * 1994 - Japanese Blue cast * 1995 - Tenth Anniversary * 1996 - Duisburg (German) * 1996 - Varmland (Swedish) * 1998 - Antwerp (Flemish) * 2000 - Buenos Aires (Spanish) * 2003 - Japanese (light) blue cast * 2003 - Japanese green cast * 2003 - Japanese violet cast * 2003 - Japanese orange cast * 2003 - Berlin (German) * 2003 - Mexico (Spanish) * 2004 - Prague B�dn�ci (Czech) I'm probably omitting an English studio cast or two. Like that weird one with Dave Willetts and Claire Moore, and that joke from the Chicago Musical Revue. That would account for the thirty-one figure on the official site. But aside from those, I have them all listed with release information and cast lists on my web site, and also with information on where to find them. Most of them are available on soundofmusic.de, footlight.com, or dresscircle.co.uk. The Israeli recording is out of print and only available on LP, but pops up often on ebay. The Hungarian recording is also out of print and only available on LP, and is much rarer and fetches much higher prices. The Buenos Aires, Berlin, and Mexico City recordings were only sold in the theaters they played in. I don't know what the hell the print status of the V�rmland single is. And CamMack & Co. did their very, very best to stomp out the Korean one, as it's quite awful and was probably sold without a license. Good luck finding it legally(?) outside of Korea. |
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| Superstar83 |
I don't suppose the Manchester recording is in print anywhere? I never even knew it existed at all until now so I'm guessing it could be quite rare.
I really want to get my hands on a copy of the Paris Revival. |
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| eponine5 |
Personally, I can't add anything to that list, but that is what a recent news article on the official site says. It also says that on the front of the Queen's Theatre. (Original text: http://www.lesmis.com/pages/news/newsdetail.php?newskey=50) |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
I have these:
Tel Aviv Broadcast Soundboard 1987 National Tour Toronto, Canada 8-1-98 National Tour Los Angeles, CA 2000 Broadway Final Performance Highlights 3-18-03 1st National Tour Soundboard 5-24-89 London 12-7-04 10th Anniversary London Concert Les Miserables, the Complete Symphonic Recording Les Miserables, Original Broadway Recording Les Miserables, Original London Recording UK Tour Manchester Soundboard 1992 Paris Revival Japanese Red 1993 Broadway I know there are several more, though. |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
The Manchester recording only has five songs, from what I've seen, and is on footlight.com and soundofmusic.de. | ||||
| Cloudy This Morning |
I believe that Orestes put it up a while ago in the put-to-rest LM Sound Clips thread. It's on page 16 or 17, and should still be working. I got the whole thing. Very lovely. (Thanks, Orestes!) |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Psst, we're talking about official recordings. 
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
There was a 1993 Broadway cast recording? Who was in that? And where is it available from? | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
Sorry, yes, official only. 
1993 Broadway stared Eric Kunze as Marius and Lea Songa as Eponine. I'm not sure about anyone else, though. Valjean sounds like a bass. I have the cast list somewhere. I'll post it after. |
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| Pshhness |
Do the soundboards count as official recordings? Cuz I've got a Brazil one. | ||||
| Mademoiselle Lanoire |
Some do, some don't. The question is whether they were authorized. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
No, there isn't. Somebody just has a bit of a bootleg collection. And Pshhness, as far as I know the only official soundboards are the ones from Argentina, Mexico, and Germany. |
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| eponine5 |
I never understood this, what exactly is a soundboard? How is it different from a regular bootleg? | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
I haven't come across an 'official' soundboard recording. I don't know how Footlight can stay open seeing as how they have a huge bootleg collection. | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
From http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=AcronymGlossary |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Weird, I searched through their online catalogue and they don't appear to have any bootlegs. Some rather rare recordings, yes, but no bootlegs that I can see. And to clarify on the rather technical explanation above, a regular bootleg is generally made by someone in the audience with a microphone and a recording device of some sort. A soundboard is recorded from the device where all the individual input devices--the performers' body microphones, the microphones in the orchestra, etc--are mixed together. Soundboards are generally much higher quality than regular bootlegs, especially as they have less background noise to filter out. |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
I never understood how they made the Soundboard recordings without getting caught. | ||||
| Jordan |
My understanding is that soundboard recordings are made by the theatre for the cast members if they're leaving a show or want to have a copy to play back for official reasons etc. Some cast members (not just of this show, all shows) get them and deliberately pass them on for whatever reasons. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Right, and sometimes understudies can make requests for recordings of themselves going on. This isn't always honored, though. |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
SoundofMusic.de has something called the 'Original Tschechien Cast'. Where is this from? Somewhere is Germany? Slovakia? They don't have a description for it, and I have no idea what language it's in. | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
Czech. There are two--the 1992 highlights, which is generally available as a Japanese repressing, and the 2003/4 complete live recording or B�dn�c�. The former didn't make enough of an impression on me to listen to it more than once, but the latter is excellent and has the added benefit of having every note in the (post-cuts) show. It does, however, have the slightly disconcerting aspect of having been compiled from recordings of several performances with different casts, so the Valjean in Who Am I isn't the same as the Valjean in Bring Him Home. It gives you a wider view of the casts, but you also can't pin down any particular interpretation. |
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| Pshhness |
So, the official soundboards count as official recordings then? Interesting.. Well, there's 4 more missing then. =/ | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
No, I don't think they do. They're usually sold by cast members to traders, and then they're put on the 'black market'.
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| Orestes Fasting |
The vast majority of soundboards are unofficial, but there are three that were sold to the general public--in Mexico City, Buenos Aires, and Berlin--and thus count as official recordings. Good luck finding them legally, but they're legit. Any soundboard that isn't one of those three recordings is a bootleg.
Those three often aren't counted on lists of official recordings, though, because they were never sold outside of their respective cities. They are, however, legal recordings, not bootlegs, and I consider them official. |
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| Pshhness |
Ahh. =) Well then, looking at the list of official recordings compiled at your website, it's still a few short of 33. Which ones are left =/? | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
Let's see. I haven't kept very good track of the English studio casts, which is probably why it's four short. I know there was one with Dave Willetts and Claire Moore, and one by the Chicago Musical Revue, and there was probably at least one more but it's slipping my mind.
I'm also unsure if the 33 figure includes singles and recordings that were released as both highlights and double CDs. If one doesn't count the Korean and Chicago Musical Revue recordings or the three soundboards, that leaves seven(?) slots open, but that hardly seems to account for the proliferation of singles and highlights. I suppose I could just email them about it, but I doubt I'd get a response. Edit: Never mind; I checked the site and it says thirty-one, including singles. Which makes me think they're missing something, unless they only mean the Manchester and V�rmland singles. |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
I have a few clips of the one with Willets and Moore, and it sucked. |
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| Quique |
The Berlin, Mexican, and Argentine soundboards aren't official or legal. I'm pretty sure about that.
I'm a member of a Mexican fan site and they have provided all the details there. The Mexican soundboards (there are about 3 or 4 different versions with different casts) were recorded and given to the cast ONLY. Some of those copies were leaked and copied and sold OUTSIDE the theatre illegally. There were vendors whom sold pirated copies of the 10th anniversary concert, claiming it was the Mexican cast. Several people posted complaints about this. There were definite plans to record an official Mexican cast album. Cameron himself confirmed this and there were signs placed all around the theatre saying to say no to piracy and to wait, cause there would be an official album soon. The sale of the illegal soundboards and other English albums got really bad and plans for the official album were cancelled. This angered many Mexican fans of the show. I was sooo looking forward to that album and I was crushed when I found out it would never be produced. Official word states that there isn't sufficient interest for such an album and it's too big an investment. Mexican fans speculate that's bull and strongly believe the cancellation of the official album is directly attributed to the massive sale of illegal soundboards outside the theatre. Most fans already had the soundboards and many said they were in no rush to purchase the official album. In a way, they have a point. Everyone who would've been interested, already had it and producing an official one is financially risky. Besides, it's unheard of for any show to sell complete soundboard versions of performances inside the theatre. They usually produce professional highlights albums and sell those inside the theatre lobby. If these albums were pro and sold at the lobby, there would be available CD jewel case cover art somewhere out there and the copies of the soundboards would be professionally separated into tracks and mastered. The soundboards I have aren't separated into tracks and aren't mastered. There is an official Berlin highlights promo album. I think it only contains a few tracks though. There's also a complete Brazilian soundboard that I have yet to add to my collection. Lazarus and Orestes Fasting, I'm interested in your lists, btw.
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| Orestes Fasting |
Hmmm. Thanks, Quique, I suppose it just goes to show how quickly hearsay on the internet can distort facts. I had it from several sources that those three soundboards were official or quasi-official, but evidently they were just repeating something they'd heard at some point and the original source is a mystery.
I think I'll keep them on my website, but I'm definitely adding a note that their legitimacy is dubious. |
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| Quique |
Yeah, a lot of people claim nonsense about stuff in their collections in order to make them seem more appealing. Not saying that's the case here but I have encountered many traders whom obviously stretch the truth about certain things. I hate that.
Anyway, I better quit talking trading or Gayboy will tear me a new one, lol.
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| Pshhness |
Awww, that's too bad.. =(. Let hope they make a recording the the Chinese production (if it ever gets finished.. -__-).
Now that those soundboards are out, I'm guessing what's left are the studio recordings? |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
I think I'm willing to risk Aimee and GayBoy's wrath, because I desperately (desperately!) want any one of the complete Japanese recordings (Red or Violet preferred, but I'm not picky), and I've got the Madrid Recording, the Original French Concept, or (blasphemy!) the Buenos Aires recording to trade. If you're up for it, PM me, because the BA songs are beautiful. | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
Pirating
There! I SAID IT! Cloudy, you can find what your looking for on page 2 of the Les Miz forums, labeled 'Les Miz clips' or something. Go to page 17. Quique, I hear you loud and clear.
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| Fantine |
Are there soundboards of the upcoming Chinese production? | ||||
| Pshhness |
Currently no. I don't think the casting even began yet.. =/ Recently updated news says the plan is probably moved out to the 2nd half of 2008. |
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| Jordan |
Consider it torn. Guys, PLEASE, for the sake of this board/forum, take this stuff to PM would you??? It's not hard. We KNOW that people in 'the business' look at this board. This is evidenced for me by the fact that EVERY SINGLE Cameron Mackintosh produced show no longer has lyrics available easily online. People supplying the lyrics to CM shows are receiving 'cease & desist' notices all the time. The same applies as far as I know to ALW shows. (I realise that many a time, these are one and the same.) We can do very well without the webmaster receiving a high court action. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
No, there wasn't. Lea Salonga. |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
Yes there was.
I have it. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
You have a bootleg is what you have. *buggers off so as not to arouse GayBoy's wrath any further* |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
Yes.
Very Angry Woman just said it doesn't exist. I thought she was saying the recording itself didn't exist. *runs for cover* |
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| Quique |
lol. Poor Gayboy.
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Nice job backpedaling! |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
It didn't exist as an offical album, anyway.
But we weren't talking about Bootlegs, were we?
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| Orestes Fasting |
No, we weren't, we were just attempting to distinguish illegal audios from real recordings in a sea of dishonest bootleggers and scurvy pirates. It's quite difficult, you know.
In any case, yes, your 93 recording is a bootleg, so I suggest you delete it from your computer immediately and contact the lawyer of the lying scum who sold it to you.
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
God, Lazarus, you ass. You should've known just by looking at him that anything he gave you would be...iffy.
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
I know, I'm a sucker. | ||||
| Cloudy This Morning |
Mmm...happens to the best of us. But from now on, sweetie, don't take anything if he's got a plastic sword in his belt-line. And in God's name don't take his candy. | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
He seemed like such an honest pirate. :'( | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
And whatever you do, don't accept any rum from him! That's how people end up tied up in an alley gagged with their own socks, with a bootleg of the Korean cast placed in their hands so the CamMack SWAT team will shoot first and ask questions later.
You just can't trust them lousy pirates. |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
Preach it, Orestes! Next thing you know, he'll show up at your door with twenty "friends" and when you're asleep they'll put all the illegal copies they have on your computer and call some lawyers. | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
Oh my God...I can't believe my pirate-friends would do these things to me!
Worst of all, they gave me five bootlegs of Dracula when I had my back turned. Beat me over the head with it. Frank Wildhorn should never compose again. 
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| Cloudy This Morning |
......this is only the beginning.... | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
Yeah! Next thing you know they'll be recording adult night at Spelling Bee, hacking your computer, putting it on there, and posing as you to trade it to twelve-year-olds. We must protect the childrens and eradicate this pirate scourge! | ||||
| Cloudy This Morning |
Yes, Orestes! Oh, Lazarus, you have no idea what you've done! The children, Lazarus. Did you ever think about the children???? | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
Nah, I hate little kids.
But still, what the f**k have I done?! There is no way to go on! *dives into the river* |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
Good! And stay down there, you hear?
Maybe now, Orestes.... Maybe now things can go back to the way they always were and always will be : Pirate free. (takes a deep breath) |
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| Orestes Fasting |
I don't know... if there are still pirate ships a'sailing, even the river isn't safe.
I think our tales of woe are getting to be too much for the rest of the forum. Perhaps we can take this to PM for the sake of everyone else's sensibilities, so we can moan and groan all we like about all the awful bootlegs that pirates have forced upon us. |
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| Moci |
Perhaps the one with Derek A. Richards playing Valjean, Javert and Grantaire? Never have I been so amused by 'The Confrontation'.
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
PIRATES NEVER DIE. 
No, I'll stop this talk of Piratey-bussiness. Time to lay down my cutless and put away this stupid fake eye-patch...time to lead a decent life, without parrots and tresures and such. :'( |
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
^RIP My pirate side^ 1990-2006 :'( |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
Arrr, ye had a good run, matey... | ||||
| Lazarus (Adam G) |
I have something people might want.
I can't talk about it here. PM me. (Cloudy and Fantine already have it). |
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| Cloudy This Morning |
He's not kidding!! You want it, believe me. (smooches) I love you, Lazzy-baby. That's what I'm going to call you from now on. Lazzy-baby. | ||||
| Jordan |
*Ahem* Sooooo transparent
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| Lazarus (Adam G) |
It could be refering to ANYTHING!
I'm a pirate, it could be rum, a new parrot, a new skull-cap, or a new hook-hand/peg-leg.
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| Cloudy This Morning |
I heard that your hand-bags were quite fashionable. I'd be very interested in purchasing one, from a pirate this time. My legal one fell apart. 
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| lesmisboy |
List removed | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
I thought these were 1994. |
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| lesmisboy |
I stand corrected. All others are accurate. | ||||
| olly |
I thought these were 2003. Also, there is a "2004 - Prague B�dn�ci (Czech)" recording. The site that I use for the different recordings is here. |
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| lesmisboy |
The Bidnici C.D. is the Czech Revival Cast. Good link - outdated list. Since the singles are listed as official recordings this is the most complete list you will find. Others mentioned earlier in the thread (Mexican, Argentine, Korean) are illegal and therefore omitted, as are studio recordings which, though legal, are not part of the cannon of authorised recordings. | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
 It's not outdated, it just lists recordings by cast instead of detailing every single release.
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| Quique |
Yeah, I don't really consider singles to be "cast recordings," as most of those are simply tracks taken from full recordings.
Both lists are good but I like Orestes' best as it lists just full cast albums. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
*shrug* There's something to be said for collecting singles and highlights and repackaged versions of various recordings to see if you can track them all down, but that's not the purpose my list serves. It's actually mainly there for the cast lists--it always annoyed the piss out of me that I had no quick reference for who was singing what role on which recording. Hence organizing them by cast instead of release. |
Japanese live RED cast (Toshiba/EMI 1987)