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| rcs |
How well do you know the NOVEL?I just thought I'd create this little quiz over details from the novel that were left out of the musical. Just to see how familiar people were with the original book. If people like the idea and want to make a game out of this, they should feel free to post their own questions.Anyway, here is the quiz: 1. In the novel, after Jean Valjean is forgiven by the bishop (and given the two candlesticks), he commits a second crime--one which he immediately regrets. What is that second crime? 2. What is the name of Fantine's lover--Cosette's biological father? (Bonus: What are the names of his three friends and their girls?) 3. What is the name of the man who was arrested in Jean Valjean's place? How does Javert think Jean Valjean acquired that name? 4. Eponine has a younger sister in the novel. What is her name? 5. In what context does Jean Valjean unexpectedly re-encounter Monsieur Fauchelevent? What favor does Fauchelevent do for Jean Valjean to repay him for saving his life years earlier? 6. Who is Marius's guardian? Why does he dislike Marius's father? 7. Who does Marius (mistakenly) believe saved his father's life at Waterloo? How does this affect Marius's actions toward this character later in the novel? (Bonus: What really happened between this character and Marius's father at Waterloo?) 8. The novel mentions one additional member of the Friends of the ABC who does not appear in the musical. What is his name? 9. When Marius first meets Cosette, what does he think her name is? Why? 10. Gavroche, although unidentified as such in the musical, is actually the son of another important character. Who is this character? 11. In the novel, Thenardier does not steal a ring from Marius in the sewers, as he does in the musical. What does he steal instead? 12. What happens to Thenardier at the end of the novel (where does he go, and what profession does he take up)? Try your hand at them, and feel free to post your own. |
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| mezzo_soprano |
I don't know all of them but I think these are right.
1. In the novel, after Jean Valjean is forgiven by the bishop (and given the two candlesticks), he commits a second crime--one which he immediately regrets. What is that second crime? He steals a 40-franc coin from a kid. 4. Eponine has a younger sister in the novel. What is her name? Azelma I know a few others but this is all I have time for right now. |
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| rcs |
Those are correct, mezzo (it's only a 40-sous coin, not a 40-franc coin, but who cares). What is the kid's name, by the way? I'll give a bonus to the first person who can answer that. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Fantine |
Petit-Gervais? |
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| Fantine |
Re: How well do you know the NOVEL?2. What is the name of Fantine's lover--Cosette's biological father?Tholomyes. (Bonus: What are the names of his three friends and their girls?) I don't remember the names of his three friends but I know the girls: Favourite, Dahlia and Josephine (Zephine) 5. In what context does Jean Valjean unexpectedly re-encounter Monsieur Fauchelevent? He is the convent gardener. What favor does Fauchelevent do for Jean Valjean to repay him for saving his life years earlier? Letting Valjean stay there as his brother? 6. Who is Marius's guardian? Monsieur Gillenormand. Why does he dislike Marius's father? Because he was a Napoleonic (no idea how to say that). 7. Who does Marius (mistakenly) believe saved his father's life at Waterloo? Thenardier. How does this affect Marius's actions toward this character later in the novel? (Bonus: What really happened between this character and Marius's father at Waterloo?) Actually Thenardier robbed Marius' father but Marius believes that Thenardier is a saint and he wants to pay him back. He has trouble believing that Thenardier is a crook. 9. When Marius first meets Cosette, what does he think her name is? Why? Ursula. He thought it was a very pretty name. 10. Gavroche, although unidentified as such in the musical, is actually the son of another important character. Who is this character? The Thenardiers. 11. In the novel, Thenardier does not steal a ring from Marius in the sewers, as he does in the musical. What does he steal instead? This is a guess.. His pocketwatch? 12. What happens to Thenardier at the end of the novel (where does he go, and what profession does he take up)? He goes to America, but I don't recall his profession. These aren't very hard. (Even though I might got a couple wrong). |
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| Orestes Fasting |
These are really easy. Picking off the ones that haven't been answered yet:
2. Tholomy�s, Favourite, Dahlia, and Z�phine have already been named, but the three men were Fameuil, Listolier, and Blancheville. 3. Champmathieu. Javert believes Valjean was using his mother's maiden name as an alias, and that local dialect corrupted 'j' to 'ch'--Jean Mathieu to Champmathieu. 8. Bahorel. 9. Ursula, because one day he found a handkerchief with the initials UF on it where she and her father had been sitting. (The UF actually stood for Ultime Fauchelevent, Valjean's alias at the time.) 11. A piece of Marius' coat-tail. 12. He becomes a slave trader in America. |
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| Fantine |
Ah yes. I was thinking that one or my answer. It was after this of course that Marius started to adore the name. |
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| lesmisloony |
Wasn't there a "Test Your Knowledge" topic, like, a month ago?
Agreed a hundred percent. I'd say most of us--or at least, a good number of us--know the novel as well as we know the musical around here... |
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| Quique |
The only one I didn't know was number 3. I have read the novel straight through once, but that was waaaaay back in the 90's. I read it again, but skipped many parts a few years ago. This was pretty easy, but I needed reminders on a few other ones as well. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mezzo_soprano |
Re: How well do you know the NOVEL?
I think (not 100% sure) the term that was used in France at the time was Bonapartist (at least that's what its called in Count of Monte Cristo) |
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| Fantine |
Re: How well do you know the NOVEL?
Ah yes that could very well be it. I blame it partly on my poor Historic knowledge and partly on myself not having the native English tongue. |
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| mezzo_soprano |
Re: How well do you know the NOVEL?
Just a term to add to the random vocab area of your brain. |
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| Kragey |
I'm glad people remember Champmathieu. For some crazy reason I can't explain, his sad speech is one of my favorites in the novel. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| rcs |
I didn't expect these to be that hard. I just wanted to throw out some general book knowledge questions to see how well people knew the book. If people want, I'll be happy to give you a harder set.
By the way, nobody has said the correct answer to number 11. Thenardier does not steal a ring or a pocket watch from Marius in the sewers. He steals something else. |
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| Kragey |
Not true. Orestes Fasting got it. |
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| lesmisloony |
And I'd love to see you find a question she won't get. I'd have loved to pop in and answer those questions, but everyone else got here first... |
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| Kragey |
Yet another reason why I have decided to make Orestes Fasting the leader of my harem. Yeah, we basically got the tailend. =/ |
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| mastachen |
I will be a frequent visitor.
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| Kragey |
I thought you were going to be IN my harem?! Damn. Gotta start keeping a list. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Only if I get droit du seigneur over the rest of the harem. 
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| rcs |
You're right. I just missed it when I was looking over the forum. Okay, here are some harder questions: 1. What is the full name of the Bishop of Digne, and what chance encounter led to his becoming Bishop? Who are the two women who live with him? 2. What innovation does Jean Valjean (as M. Madeleine) discover that causes the town to prosper and leads to his becoming mayor? 3. What is Cosette's real name? 4. A number of mishaps befall Jean Valjean when he is on his way to Arras to testify at Champmathieu's trial, nearly causing him to miss the trial entirely. Name these mishaps, in order. 5. Who are the three convicts who knew Jean Valjean on the chain gang? What details (habits or physical attributes) of these convicts does M. Madeleine call attention to in order to prove to them that he is really Jean Valjean? 6. Between the time Jean Valjean confesses his identity at the trial and the time he retrieves Cosette from the Thenardiers, how many times is he captured and taken into custody? On each occasion, how does he escape? 7. Which character in the novel wears a bell on his leg, and why? 8. What elaborate scheme does Fauchelevent concoct to smuggle Jean Valjean out of the convent (so he can enter again and not arouse suspicion)? What goes wrong in that plan, and how does Fauchelevent rectify the situation (give as much detail as you can)? 9. What names does M. Gillenormand call his two servants? Why? 10. What title of nobility does Marius bear, although few recognize it? Under what circumstances did he acquire that title? 11. Which member of the Friends of the ABC is nicknamed Bossuet? 12. What false name do the Thenardiers take on when they live next door to Marius? Which character(s) lived in the same building earlier in the novel? 13. What phrase does Eponine scribble on a piece of paper to prove she is literate? How does Marius later use that note to thwart Thenardier's attempt to rob Jean Valjean? 14. What does Javert give Marius when he goes to the police station to report the impending robbery? What does Marius do with the object(s) he is given later on? 15. How does Eponine discover Cosette's address in the Rue Plumet (give as much detail as you can)? 16. How does Gavroche help Thenardier escape from the the Bastille prison? 17. What bistro is a favorite meeting spot of the Friends of the ABC (and the place where they later build their barricade)? (Bonus: Describe the uniquely misspelled sign on the wall of this bistro, and its significance.) 18. Eponine does not deliver Marius's farwell letter to Cosette in the novel. Who does? (Bonus: What is special about the circumstances of Eponine's death in the novel?) 19. What act of kindness does Jean Valjean perform for an anonymous man after he arrives at the barricade? 20. What injury does Jean Valjean pretend to have sustained shortly before Cosette and Marius's wedding? Why? I hope these are harder. And I repeat, feel free to post your own questions over novel details omitted/changed in the musical. |
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| mastachen |
You prostitute guys too? Nice. |
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| lesmisloony |
Hellz yeah! Made it. I'll just do the ones I don't need the Book for.
Charles-Francois Myriel Bienvenu, Mademoiselle Baptistine (sister), Madame Magloire (housekeeper)
he, like, bends bracelet metal instead of making a whole new clasp
Euphrasie
Brevet, Clochepaille, ?? (crap!) ; checkered suspender, date tattooed, burn(?) ignore my crappy spelling of Clochepaille, and I've forgotten the last one's name...
I think twice. The second time he saves a man's life and falls off the ship Orion. The first time... I'm not sure, but I remember the scene where he returns and scares the bejeesus out of Simplice...
Fauchelevant, to scare little nun girls away
I FLOVE THIS PART OF THE BOOK. Okay, so they take Cosette out in a basket and leave her with a nice neighbour lady. Then, some nun dies and wants to be buried in a vault at the convent, but that's not so much with the legal, so they bury her there and put Valjean in her coffin with leetle breathe-y holes. Fauchelevant has a great plan to get his friend the gravedigger drunk, but they arrive at the wedding and--d'oh--new gravedigger! So he finally ends up snagging the guy's ID card or keys or something and convincing him to go home and find them while Fauchelevant himself "finishes the job"--meaning gets Valjean out of the coffin in hopes he's still alive. *deepbreath*
Basque (currently) because he names the guys after where they're from, and Nicolette because... it just is.
baron, his daddy at Waterloo, Napoleon, blah blah
L'aigle/Lesgles de Meux
Jondrette (and also Balizard, Fabantou, and one other) and Valjean and lil Cosette
"The cognes are here" (depending on your translation) and Marius chucks it through the hole in the wall
two pistols, and he cocks one during the robbery... I think he never gave 'em back, so he prolly had them during the emuete
La Magnon passed her the address from behind bars, and she went there, checked it out, and deemed it a biscuit
climbs a chimney pipe to help him get down
Corinth... CARPES HO GRAS becomes CARPE HO RAS
Gavroche. What's special about Eponine's death? What do you mean? Nothing. It's completely unspecial. Marius barely even bats an eye.
donates a National Guard uniform to help him escape in yet another moment of Valjean's Beastiness
he says he hurt his hand so he won't be signing a false name on wedding documents I DID LEAVE A FEW THAT I WASN'T SURE OF, AND SOME OF MY ANSWERS ARE SKETCH. Sorry to be such a quiz hog, but ask me questions about the Book all day. It's when we venture into specifics on the musical (like, cast-wise) that I start backing off. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Just in case someone's faster than me--I opened up the reply page before anyone else had answered. So I'm not cheating. 1. Charles-Fran�ois Bienvenu Myriel, who lived with his sister Mlle Baptistine and their servant Mme Magloire, was made Bishop by Napoleon after he complimented him during a chance encounter. 2. He substitutes shellac for resin, and a wire hook for a clasp, in the manufacture of black glassware. 3. Euphrasie 4. He damages the wheel of his tilbury in a minor collision with a post-carriage, can't find anyone to replace it, is forced to borrow a heavy cart from a villager that tires his horse out, has to double back to the nearest town to replace his horse a few leagues later, then the borrowed cart falls apart and he has to fix it on the road. 5. Brevet, Cochepaille, and Chenildieu. One had a pair of striped suspenders, one had a tattoo of the date of Napoleon's return from Elba, and one had a distinctive burn. 6. Twice. He allows Javert to capture him at Fantine's deathbed, escapes the local jail with a saw hidden in a hollowed-out coin, goes to bury his money, is recaptured and sent to the galleys, and finally escapes by faking his own drowning. 7. Fauchelevent is the gardener in a convent and thus the only man; he wears a bell on his leg to warn the nuns when he's nearby. 8. One of the nuns has just died and her dying wish was to be interred in the Petit-Picpus crypt, but government regulations don't allow this. So Fauchelevent arranges with the nuns to have her buried in the crypt and an "empty" coffin carried out and buried, except he smuggles Valjean into the coffin. As he knows the gravedigger, he plans to get him drunk to keep him out of the way while he extricates Valjean, but the gravedigger has been replaced by a new (and more sober) man who refuses to be deterred from covering the coffin with six feet of earth. Fauchelevent only manages to get rid of him by palming the card that gives him access to the locked gates, making him think he's left it at home, and rescuing Valjean while the gravedigger is off on a wild-goose chase. 9. Basque, named after his region of origin, and Nicolette, because that's what he calls all his female servants. 10. Baron, a title conferred upon his father by Napoleon and passed down to Marius. 11. L�gle (Lesgle, Laigle, and various other corruptions). 12. Jondrette; Valjean and Cosette. (And, briefly, Javert.) 13. "The cops are here." He throws it through a crack in the wall between their rooms, and Th�nardier thinks that Eponine, who's supposed to be on lookout, threw it through the window as a warning to flee. 14. Two pistols to act as signals. Later he uses them to save Courfeyrac and Gavroche at the barricade. 15. Patron-Minette want Eponine to scout out the house in the Rue Plumet as a potential target for robbery, since they're in prison and can't do it themselves. They pass on the message via a note wrapped in a piece of bread and thrown over the wall of one prison into another, and it eventually reaches an accomplice named Magnon who passes it on to Eponine. 16. Th�nardier is stuck on a wall high above the ground, and Gavroche climbs up a drainpipe with a rope so he can let himself down. 17. Corinthe. Its proprietor, Hucheloup, had a specialty which he called "carpes au gras," and painted the misspelling "carpes ho gras" on the wall as an advertisement. Over time the 's' and 'r' were worn away by the weather, leaving "carpe horas," or "seize the hours." 18. Gavroche. (What do you mean by the bonus? Do you mean how it differs from the musical?) 19. He donates his National Guard uniform so that the man can escape the doomed barricade without being questioned by the soldiers surrounding it. 20. He fakes an injury to his hand so that he doesn't have to cast illegitimacy upon Cosette's wedding by signing with a false name. |
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| Kragey |
Official forum HBIC: lesmisloony and Orestes Fasting. Signed, sealed, delivered. Expect your harem clothes in the mail within the week. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lesmisloony |
Hot! |
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| mastachen |
Post some pictures please.
I'd like to see what I buy. |
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| Kragey |
Nice integration there. XD |
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| rcs |
You missed one. He also has to take a detour because the road's being repaired.
For the bonus, what I was thinking of (and correct me if I'm misremembering) was that she threw herself in front of a rifle to save Marius, out of selfless love. Orestes, it's clear that you know the novel really, REALLY well. Why don't you take a turn to quiz the rest of us--see how well we fare against your knowledge. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Or because she didn't want to watch him die before she did; that's up in the air. Besides, in the novel she also sent him to the barricade to die, which kind of nullifies any good karma she gets for saving him. |
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| lesmisloony |
THANK you. ETA: Other things about Eponine's death that differ? She wasn't all cuddled in Marius's lap. Unless I'm wrong, she was sitting at his feet with her head rested on his knee, and he was seated on a paving-stone. She was hiding a letter from Cosette and decided to give it to him at the last minute. Marius was extremely creeped out by her. She most definitely was NOT the first to fall. No one noticed her death but Marius, and he himself wouldn't have if she hadn't been lying around croaking his name. Instead of carrying off her body while Marius cries, I'm pretty sure she got thrown onto the pile of the dead. Obviously not too carefully, as it appears she, uh, fell out of her shirt. Immediately after she dies, Marius goes skipping into the Corinth to read Cosette's letter. Um... I should stop before I start looking like I totally detest Eponine. I don't actually mind the character, as long as she remains in the Book where she belongs. |
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| EponineMNFF |
And in the revival, Eponine had that moment when she held out her hand to bring Marius to the barricade during One Day More. I can't tell if that was a reference to the book (probably not), though I nearly died of excitement when I saw it. And again. And again. And again... etc etc. |
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| rcs |
I like Eponine. Please let me continue to think of her death as a moment of redemption. |
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| lesmisloony |
...if you've read the Book anyway, why should our repeating bits of it ruin your interpretation of Eponine? |
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| herkind |
I like Eponine too and I think there is redemption in her death not in the fact that she saved Marius but in the fact that she gave him Cosette's letter. She could have kept it to herself and Marius would have never known. I think she was in some way releasing him at that moment instead of trying to control his destiny up to the very end. Of course, anyone is entitled to disagree. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| EponineMNFF |
I like Eponine too (three?) Though I think it's unnecessary to say that. I actually like her death in the book a lot more, since it's either a. not annoying for Eponine haters and b. sad but believable for Eponine likers.
The character is more interesting when she's not just a victim. But we've had so many discussions about this. I don't think there's anything I can say that hasn't been said before. Haha. |
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| lesmisloony |
Agreed on both parts. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Think of it that way all you like. Meanwhile, those of us with different interpretations will carry on having opinions of our own. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Oh please. We all know this thread is just so you can show off, anyway. |
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| Quique |
Wow, I guess my second run through of the novel was too fast. I hardly got any of the second set of questions correctly. For shame, lol. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mastachen |
I knew you would like it.
There is already another thread where Orestes asks most of the questions: the Test Your Knowledge thread. You might want to check it out. It screws with the brains, that one does. |
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| rcs |
Yeah, but that thread is mostly about who starred in which production of the musical and so forth. I know very little of that kind of trivia. I was interested in a thread specifically devoted to trivia about the NOVEL, and details from the novel that didn't make it into the musical. I am much better acquainted with the novel than with the musical, and I was hoping to be able to compare my knowledge of that subject with the resident experts. |
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| Colle |
I take that as a vague reference to the book. Celia wasn't the only stage Eponine to do this though, I know Lea did during "Hey! Mr. Producer," and others may have. I am trying to remember if any stage Eponine's that I have seen took Marius's hand during "On Day More," though I am pretty sure Melissa Lyons didn't, and I don't remember if Ma-Anne or Rona did. Now, can we please return to the triva? |
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| Kragey |
Eponine's death, along with the actions of many other characters, can be interpreted many ways. We understand that. Most of us just get defensive about Eponine, because Eppyboppers scare us a bit. And for the record, if you want to interpret it as redemption, that's fine, many scholars have. But understand that many scholars have also seen the opposite of the spectrum. That's how literature works. |
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| Vanessa20 |
Eponine in ODMIn the clip from the 1987 Tonys, Frances Ruffelle pulls on Marius' arm and sings "The time is now, the day is here" along with the ensemble.It's funny how so many of these discussions end up revolving around Eponine, no matter what the original topic is. |
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| Quique |
Re: Eponine in ODM
I think it's cause people can't help containing either their love or hate for the character.  Though I love it that despite that, there is usually very little fighting and drama. One truly feels welcomed to express their thoughts and opinions here. <3
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| EponineMNFF |
Re: Eponine in ODM
THAT IS AWESOME! Omigosh. *Stores that in memory* If I ever see anybody do that live, I might just start crying of happiness. |
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| lesmisloony |
Actually, there's a good bit of Book trivia in there as well. I'd say it's about a third of it from the Book. I don't know much about various casts and things either, but I keep an eye on that thread for other great trivia. Like Palmyre and Malvinia, my current favourite scrap of useless knowledge. (I just noticed that comment, sorry.) |
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| Futuretonywinner |
1 Jean Valjean steals a coin from a child.
2 Tholymes (I don't know if I spelled it right.) 3 Champ Mathieu Javert thinks he got that name because his mother's maiden name was Mathieu, and the accent from the area he was in may have pronounced Jean as Champ. 4 Azelma 5 JVJ meets Fachelevent in the garden of the convent. Fachelevent agrees to get him a job as a gardener. 6 His grandfather Guilennormand. He dislikes Marius's father because he was a colonel in Napolean's army. 7 Thenardier. Marius feels like he owes Thenardier his service and doesn't turn him in when he is holding JVJ hostage. bonus-Thenardier thought colonel Pontmercy was dead and was stealing from his pockets when he realized he was alive and helped him up. 8 The friends of the ABC are: Enjolras, Combeferre, Courfeyrac, Joly, Jean Provaire, Bahorel, Fueilly, Marius, and Grantaire. 9 He thinks her name is Ursula because JVJ is going by the name Urbaine and Marius finds his hankerchief with his initials on it and thinks it's Cossette's. 10 Thenardier 11 a piece of cloth from his coat 12 Thenardier goes to America and becomes a slave trader. |
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| ErikProuvaire |
Re: How well do you know the NOVEL?1. In the novel, after Jean Valjean is forgiven by the bishop (and given the two candlesticks), he commits a second crime--one which he immediately regrets. What is that second crime?stealing a coin from a young boy 2. What is the name of Fantine's lover--Cosette's biological father? (Bonus: What are the names of his three friends and their girls?) Fantine's lover is Felix Tholomyes. I can't remember the friends' names, but one of the other girls is Favourite. 3. What is the name of the man who was arrested in Jean Valjean's place? How does Javert think Jean Valjean acquired that name? Champmathieu 4. Eponine has a younger sister in the novel. What is her name? Azelma 5. In what context does Jean Valjean unexpectedly re-encounter Monsieur Fauchelevent? What favor does Fauchelevent do for Jean Valjean to repay him for saving his life years earlier? The Convent. Fauchelevent helps Valjean make his escape into the Convent. 6. Who is Marius's guardian? Why does he dislike Marius's father? M. Gillernormand. He hates Marius's father because Marius's father was a Bonapartist and Gillernormand is a Royalist. 7. Who does Marius (mistakenly) believe saved his father's life at Waterloo? How does this affect Marius's actions toward this character later in the novel? (Bonus: What really happened between this character and Marius's father at Waterloo?) Thenardier. Marius is afraid to fire the pistol for him to be arrested. What really happened at Waterloo was that Thenardier attempted to rob the "corpse" of Georges Pontmercy and then rescued him when he realized he was alive. 8. The novel mentions one additional member of the Friends of the ABC who does not appear in the musical. What is his name? Bahorel. "The tearer down of posters" 9. When Marius first meets Cosette, what does he think her name is? Why? Ursula. Her handkerchief has a U embroidered on it. 10. Gavroche, although unidentified as such in the musical, is actually the son of another important character. Who is this character? Thenardier. 11. In the novel, Thenardier does not steal a ring from Marius in the sewers, as he does in the musical. What does he steal instead? He tears the corner off of Marius's coat and makes Valjean give him Marius's money. 12. What happens to Thenardier at the end of the novel (where does he go, and what profession does he take up)? He and Azelma go to America. The Thenardieress has died in prison. Try your hand at them, and feel free to post your own.[/quote] |
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| Fantine |
This is not travia, but:
Is the third chapter in the novel 'The year 1817' or something like that? Because I really seem to rush through things which makes me wonder if I have an abridged version 
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
Re: How well do you know the NOVEL?
The other girls are Zephine, Favourite, and Dahlia. The other men are Fameuil, Listolier, and Blacheville. |
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| Fantine |
That question has been answered long ago. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lesmisloony |
Yeah. I mean, it's actually the third "book," but I figure that's what you meant... |
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| Fantine |
The third book? Are there books for every chapter in Les Miserables? 'Het jaar 1817' starts at page 41 in my copy. |
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| lesmisloony |
Here's my online English Brick, if you want a reference:
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?tmode=start&title=Les%20Miserables But in short, it's in volumes first (Fantine, Cosette, Marius, Jean Valjean, Idyll in the Rue Plumet and blah), then those are broken down into books (from "Fantine": An Upright Man, The Fall, In the Year 1817, To Confide is Sometimes to Deliver into a Person's Power, The Descent, etc), which are broken down into chapters (from "An Upright Man": M. Myriel, M. Myriel Becomes M. Bienvenu, A Hard Bishopric for a Good Bishop, Works Corresponding to Words, etc). ...there ya go. 
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| Fantine |
Oh noooo! *shockgasphorror* I do have an abridged version!  Now what do I do? I always told everyone that I had read Les Mis, "Oh sure I did!" But now it turns out I HAVEN'T!
I'm gonna jump off a cliff now. Well actually, my window, since there aren't any cliffs around here. Or mountains. Holland is pretty flat actually. We are below sea level after all... Now what am I rambling on about? |
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| lesmisloony |
No Fantine, NOO! Don't do it! YOU CAN STILL READ THE BOOK. DON'T GIVE UP ON LIFE. WE ARE HERE FOR YOU. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mezzo_soprano |
Don't feel bad! The first time I read it I read it abrigded too. I didn't realize until I was amost done. I read it halfway through unabridged but had to read other things to get ready for an audition. Hoping to finish it soon! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Fantine |
Well yeah but... I'm Fantine! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lesmisloony |
^^Good point.
We love you anyway. Many, many times have I finished a classic, turned it over, and seen "Abridged" printed on the cover. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Actually, the first time I read LM was abridged, and it made no mention of Fantine becoming a ho or the Plumet Attack, so I was convinced that the musical made it all up. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
It's utterly evil, isn't it? The Barnes & Noble paperback edition of the Count of Monte Cristo is abridged, and you have to go to the copyright page or the editor's introduction to discover it. And they can't content themselves with just cutting out the boring parts, oh no--they have to get rid of the fun stuff. My abridged CoMC made no mention whatsoever of Eug�nie Danglars being a lesbian, or of Franz's freaky hashish-induced dreams about having sex with statues. Bah. |
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| lesmisloony |
Would you believe that's one of the ones I was referring to? And "Dracula," I think. And... that abridged LM I mentioned. I didn't realise I *had* read an abridged one till I saw one that was twice as long at the library, and I was all
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| Fantine |
Really? That's just weird. It seems that I'm missing only ALL the side info. |
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| Mademoiselle Lanoire |
I'll have to check on whether my CoMC is abridged, because I don't remember a lot of those bits. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Fantine |
I hope you don't do the shocking discovery I did. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Paula74 |
My first copy was also heavily abridged and omitted a lot of key material...like Fantine's prostitution.
I didn't realize it was abridged at first. I just rushed to a book store after seeing the 1st NT years ago and grabbed the only edition they had in stock. I started to read it and got hopelessly lost because it just skipped from one random part to another. And I hated it. But I had an old set of encyclopedia that had been my mothers. In the back of each volume, there were excellent summaries of classic books...some with really good line drawings, too. I found that Les Miserables was included and realized I was missing a lot of the story. So, I went looking for the unabridged Brick. I actually came across the abridged copy in a box of books I was sorting last week. I thought I'd thrown it out. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Because I'm feeling obscure. And morbid.
Name the character directly responsible for the death of Jean Prouvaire. Which character(s) lived a stone's throw away from the site of public executions in Paris? |
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| bigR |
I don't love you anymore. No matter how much amazing new material you may post in your site.
You've had me going over and over again through the pages where Prouvaire dies for ages and I can't find anything, brrrrr... (I'm not so angry about your second question since it's being so long since I read the brick and I had decided since the begining that having a quick look at 1.500 pages was not the best way to find an address). |
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| Orestes Fasting |
That's because it's not in the pages where Prouvaire dies. But later in the barricade scenes, Hugo does name the officer who ordered him to be shot. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| bigR |
Thanks for the clue!
I'll wait until someone finds the answer, then. I've just started re-reading the book and I don't want to scan too many pages from the last part. I have forgotten enough since I read it to make the book seem new and surprising again and I don't want to spoil my fun by reading too much in advance (I'm still at the bishop!) |
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| Orestes Fasting |
I'll just toss out the answer to the second one because I don't really expect anyone to get it; it actually brings up another one of Hugo's little historical "coincidences" that aren't coincidences at all. (Like Valjean and Napol�on both being born in 1769, the hints that Cosette was born on the date of the battle of Waterloo, Marius & Cosette being married on the same date and in the same church as Hugo's daughter... the list goes on.)
The characters who lived near the site of public executions are Valjean, possibly Cosette, Marius, and the Th�nardiers. Thing is that at the beginning of 1832, public executions were moved from their traditional location at the Place de Gr�ve in central Paris, to the Place Saint-Jacques, which was then at the outskirts of one of the most wretched parts of the city. Valjean had an apartment in the rue de l'Homme-Arm�, literally just down the street from the Place de Gr�ve; Hugo says he'd sometimes live there for a month or six weeks, but doesn't specify whether he took Cosette with him or whether she stayed with Toussaint in the rue Plumet. The Place Saint-Jacques is just down the boulevard from where the Gorbeau tenement might have been--Hugo even refers to it when describing the building. Here's the catch, though: the first execution performed in the Place Saint-Jacques was on the 3rd of February, 1832, exactly the date of the Gorbeau robbery. Which means that Marius moved out (and the Th�nardiers went to prison) on the precise day when their neighborhood became the site of public executions. Hugo was a well-known opponent of the death penalty; if that date is a coincidence, I'll eat my Brick. |
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| lesmisloony |
Oh Orestes, I love how informative you are. I wish I could be as dedicated/nerdy/awesome as you. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| eponine5 |
Speaking of the public executions in Paris and the death sentence... who else has read 'Last Day of a Condemned Man'? I just finished it and absolutely love it! 
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| bigR |
I definitely would have never got this one. I was still at the stage of wondering: "did they still kill people at the place the Gr�ve in the 19th century?" But had no idea who lived near there or that they changed the executions site to place saint jacques. But I'm really worried now, because I really loved all this coincidences thing. And the exagerated way in which Hugo plays with coincidences (historically and plotwise) were one of the things I disliked from the novel. I 'm starting to enjoy what I've always considered flaws! Did nobody find the name of the prouvaire's officer yet? I don't want to search my book so far away from the bishop and spoil my fun... |
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| lesmisloony |
*shrugs* I gave up. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Orestes Fasting |
Loony, I thought that if anyone here got it it would be you. It's Fannicot, by the way.
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| lesmisloony |
Hehe, I'm honoured, but alas... also lazy. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| bigR |
I'm starting to enjoy Hugo's love for coincidences...
I've just discovered that his long-life mistress Juliette Drouet became an unmarried mother at 19. The same age Fantine was when Cosette was born
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