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The Pirate King	I'm seeing a great deal of hypocrisy going on here. Before Lea suddenly appeared on this board, you were all clamouring for footage of her as Fantine. You have been waiting for months and months. You remember Orestes being bombarded by questions as to whether she had recorded Lea months ago? A couple of weeks ago EponineGiry would've been seen as a saviour and benefactor for providing us with this great footage--we would be swooning at her feet. But now since all the sudden we have a professional here we're all good law-abiding citizens--suddenly we don't support someone who puts these clips up, and we scold her endlessly for it. So what's the problem here? Is it that she labelled it as a "boot" rather than a "clip"? Look back to any other topic where someone provided a clip of your favourite performer. I've never seen a provider scolded so. I think it's time we all rethink this issue.
Orestes Fasting	The issue isn't whether or not any of us approve of bootlegs, it's the total idiocy of posting bootleg clips of a performer on a board that performer posts on. Especially one who wrote this in her blog about Saturday night: Quote: By the end of last night's show, my arms and legs were feeling weak and tired... everyone was battling physical and mental fatigue... and it didn't help that some a**hole was taking prolonged video of the show (during Fantine's Death, as well as the Act II Finale). You all already know my feelings about this... I needn't write any more about it. Most of the people here who have little "collections" try to maintain a modicum of discretion, both on the board and in the theater. The people who don't, and distract the actors with really obvious filming and force the mods into a bad position by openly posting their bootlegs, are the ones who provoke posts like that.
pish123c	I don't like the promotions of bootlegs in general. Yes, I have a small collection of them, but I don't go promoting them now do I? No good comes from promoting the bootlegs, they can easily be accessed on youtube and by many members of these boards who sell them discreetly. Overall, It's just ostentacioius and show-offy. If you do something illegal, why would you flaunt it?
The Very Angry Woman	Re: I'm seeing a great deal of hypocrisy going on here. The Pirate King wrote: Before Lea suddenly appeared on this board, you were all clamouring for footage of her as Fantine. You have been waiting for months and months. You remember Orestes being bombarded by questions as to whether she had recorded Lea months ago? A couple of weeks ago EponineGiry would've been seen as a saviour and benefactor for providing us with this great footage--we would be swooning at her feet. I would've made fun of the poster whether Lea were posting here or not. It's one thing to have and make and post boots on Youtube; it's another to create a whole new thread about it. Lea can keep posting here all she wants and that's great, but I'm not going to kiss her ass just because she's Lea.
What Is This Feeling?	lol Lea is on this board? lol what hread was that quote in? Please can someone link it.
The Very Angry Woman	What Is This Feeling? wrote: lol Lea is on this board? lol what hread was that quote in? Please can someone link it. lol find it yourself lol
What Is This Feeling?	Please I'm too lazy. You love seing me squirm dont you TVAW? That's rather mean of you........
PappyCat	"She" (we haven't really determined if it was actually her. Because technically, I could register under a name and come on here saying I was Michael Ball) posted in the "cast Changes" thread. (I think that's the title of the thread, something like that.) I think around page 4 and 5.
The Very Angry Woman	PappyCat wrote: "She" (we haven't really determined if it was actually her. Because technically, I could register under a name and come on here saying I was Michael Ball) posted in the "cast Changes" thread. (I think that's the title of the thread, something like that.) Although: http://bigsis222.multiply.com/journal/item/76 Her username there is the same one as here. You can search by username.
PappyCat	True, but as long as nobody had registered as that name, anyone could have used it. Maybe I'm being cynical, but I've definitely been to forums where people have been tricked.
The Very Angry Woman	PappyCat wrote: True, but as long as nobody had registered as that name, anyone could have used it. Maybe I'm being cynical, but I've definitely been to forums where people have been tricked. I'm saying she explicitly mentioned mnet in her blog entry. Unless you think someone's doing an excellent job of impersonating her, her husband, and her baby on Multiply. Which would just be creepy. Anyone willing to ask her about this place over at the Broadhurst?
What Is This Feeling?	She said some of us were vicous lol, but the atmosphere was overall friendly. Lol, hope she stops by again, she was ofcourse informative.
bigsis222	Orestes Fasting wrote: The issue isn't whether or not any of us approve of bootlegs, it's the total idiocy of posting bootleg clips of a performer on a board that performer posts on. Especially one who wrote this in her blog about Saturday night: Quote: By the end of last night's show, my arms and legs were feeling weak and tired... everyone was battling physical and mental fatigue... and it didn't help that some a**hole was taking prolonged video of the show (during Fantine's Death, as well as the Act II Finale). You all already know my feelings about this... I needn't write any more about it. Most of the people here who have little "collections" try to maintain a modicum of discretion, both on the board and in the theater. The people who don't, and distract the actors with really obvious filming and force the mods into a bad position by openly posting their bootlegs, are the ones who provoke posts like that. Oh, the red light... it wasn't on for just a moment, but for minutes and minutes. It was difficult to die having this light right in my sightlines... irritating. And disrespectful. It was like very obviously parking illegally, and flaunting it.
What Is This Feeling?	Oh God. Was this the absolute worst nuisance during your run? I can only imagine. I wonder why people want to do that honestly, usually the quality sucks. And its just not proper theater etiquette. Very inconsiderate too.
EponineBarker	bigsis222 wrote: Orestes Fasting wrote: The issue isn't whether or not any of us approve of bootlegs, it's the total idiocy of posting bootleg clips of a performer on a board that performer posts on. Especially one who wrote this in her blog about Saturday night: Quote: By the end of last night's show, my arms and legs were feeling weak and tired... everyone was battling physical and mental fatigue... and it didn't help that some a**hole was taking prolonged video of the show (during Fantine's Death, as well as the Act II Finale). You all already know my feelings about this... I needn't write any more about it. Most of the people here who have little "collections" try to maintain a modicum of discretion, both on the board and in the theater. The people who don't, and distract the actors with really obvious filming and force the mods into a bad position by openly posting their bootlegs, are the ones who provoke posts like that. Oh, the red light... it wasn't on for just a moment, but for minutes and minutes. It was difficult to die having this light right in my sightlines... irritating. And disrespectful. It was like very obviously parking illegally, and flaunting it. I'm not trying to be a kiss*** here, but you're right. It's disrespectful to anyone in any theatre, Broadway or off.
Quique	Yeah, some people are incredibly rude when it comes to these things. The worst I think was during a 3rd national tour performance in Long Beach back in 2001: this guy a couple of rows ahead of me kept taking photographs during most of the solos. And yes, some were with FLASH. An usher eventually creeped up came up to this guy and took the camera away.
windbelle	I've no problem with boots and actually have been quite open to them as I live in an area where musical shows are extremely rare. But I wouldn't recommend promoting it on a public board whether or not the performer herself posts here. I think some rules must be kept to have those things under control. If promoting it were publicly approved of, the situation could go wild. I've been annoyed by the flashlights and noises from operating a camera during performances too.
Orestes Fasting	Also, it's my understanding that a certain amount of bootleg talk is tolerated on this board as long as no actual sharing or trading goes on through the forum. There's a difference between alluding to a recording one might or might not have, and "Hey guys, look what I filmed the other night! Here's a link!" And as a general FYI: if you absolutely must bootleg, put electrical tape over the little red light. You don't get caught, the performers don't have to put up with it in their sightlines, and the people around you get to watch the show instead of your clumsy attempts at recording. (This shouldn't be construed as an endorsement of bootlegging, any more than instructions on condom use are an endorsement of premarital sex. People are gonna do it, let's minimize the damage here.)
Eponine93	What Is This Feeling? wrote: Oh God. Was this the absolute worst nuisance during your run? I can only imagine. I wonder why people want to do that honestly, usually the quality sucks. And its just not proper theater etiquette. Very inconsiderate too. Actually, I can think of a lot of reasons why people would want to bootleg Lea... I definitely wanted to save her performance if I had the means available. However, if people feel the need to bootleg, they must bootleg considerably. As OF mentioned. Although I feel the need to add if you're using a digital camera, try to cover the back display screen or turn it off, it's really annoying to the people behind you...
Set_Buildin_Dad	Eponine93 wrote: What Is This Feeling? wrote: Oh God. Was this the absolute worst nuisance during your run? I can only imagine. I wonder why people want to do that honestly, usually the quality sucks. And its just not proper theater etiquette. Very inconsiderate too. Actually, I can think of a lot of reasons why people would want to bootleg Lea... I definitely wanted to save her performance if I had the means available. However, if people feel the need to bootleg, they must bootleg considerably. As OF mentioned. Although I feel the need to add if you're using a digital camera, try to cover the back display screen or turn it off, it's really annoying to the people behind you... Recording a show is illegal as well as disruptive to the performers and to the other patrons! You will enjoy the show a whole lot more if you pay attention to the action onstage instead of being distracted by your camcorder. Having filmed a number of local shows (with permission), I find that I need to watch the show again, without the camera to get full enjoyment out of it. Given your probable vantage point it is unlikely that you will get a recording that is anywhere close to the quality of what you could have been watching. You'll also be stressed watching out for ushers or fellow patrons that may take issue with your actions. My advice is so sit back, enjoy the show, and rely on your happy memories of the event.
Eponine93	OK, I'm going to clarify what I said. Lea does an amazing job with the role of Fantine and I think everyone would appreciate it if she recorded it legally on a cast recording, because she's much better than any of the other legally recorded Fantines, but since that's not going to happen anytime soon, the next best thing is a bootleg. However, there's no real need to bootleg anymore now that there's footage from the Stars in the Alley concert on Youtube. I don't bootleg, but when I saw Rent on Broadway the girls sitting in front of me decided to tape La Vie Boheme (I don't know why, the cast we saw wasn't even that good!) and I was distracted by the back display screen. Bootlegging is distracting not only to the actors but the audience. If you must bootleg, you have to do it respectfully. That means cover up all lights so the audience and the actors aren't distracted, don't brag about what you've done, and post your footage on Youtube so no one else needs to bootleg. I don't like bootlegging when people use it to review a performance that they saw. However, when people post their bootlegs online this enables people who otherwise wouldn't be able to see the show experience the performance and reduces the need for bootlegs. So if you bootleg, post it online. That way, others won't have to bootleg.
Set_Buildin_Dad	Eponine93 wrote: Bootlegging is distracting not only to the actors but the audience. If you must bootleg, you have to do it respectfully. That means cover up all lights so the audience and the actors aren't distracted, don't brag about what you've done, and post your footage on Youtube so no one else needs to bootleg. I don't like bootlegging when people use it to review a performance that they saw. However, when people post their bootlegs online this enables people who otherwise wouldn't be able to see the show experience the performance and reduces the need for bootlegs. So if you bootleg, post it online. That way, others won't have to bootleg. Huh? You not only support bootlegging, but posting the stuff online?!? Performers have a right to be compensated for their talents. Bootlegging and piracy of any sort diminshes that right. This is no different from someone posting a copy of a best selling book online. How would you like to be an author, or performer, who has put years of effort into creating a artistic work, only to have someone steal it.
Eponine93	I think putting it online reduces more bootlegs. For example, now that there's footage of Lea singing at the Stars in the Alley concert, people can get a preview of her performance. If they're thinking about coming to see the revival, that probably would be the clincher convincing them to come and see it. Because there's already a bootleg of her publicly available, there's no need for anyone else to tape a bootleg. If small clips of a bootlegged performance are posted, it usually will help spread word about the show and influence more people to see it, which will increase ticket sales and have the performers get paid more. Also, if a bootleg is posted there's no need for anyone else to tape the bootleg. I'm not saying post the whole thing online. But if you post small clips, it helps prevent more bootlegs.
Set_Buildin_Dad	Eponine93 wrote: If small clips of a bootlegged performance are posted, it usually will help spread word about the show and influence more people to see it, which will increase ticket sales and have the performers get paid more. Also, if a bootleg is posted there's no need for anyone else to tape the bootleg. I'm not saying post the whole thing online. But if you post small clips, it helps prevent more bootlegs. If the show's producers want to help promote the show they will post clips of it online themselves. They often do so on the show's website. It is their choice! This is the only type of clip that belongs online. I also disagree that posting will prevent other bootlegs. It only encourages them. Sorry if i'm touchy on this topic, but I've had intelectual property stolen and I know how that feels. It's no fun!

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