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| Tenalto |
*squee* Hells yes! |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
Helena as Mme. Thenardier i would kill myself. | ||||||||
| bigR |
Why? I've never heard her sing, so maybe her voice is all wrong, I can't tell. But although she is petite she looks like a mme thenardier too me... |
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| Catherine |
Fairuza Balk! She was Nancy in The Craft. Weird weird film. Bet she would rock Eponine! | ||||||||
| bigR |
her dark hair is dyed, isn't it? I'd like her with blondish hair for �ponine (yes my 1st live �ponine was blond), but this is easily done... | ||||||||
| Kragey |
I'm pretty sure it's naturally a dark reddish-brown.
Well, we're disregarding voices for this, so...LOL! WT just started on their symphonic metal path, so it's weird for me to think of them that way...but I do love her, and I think she's a thousand times better now that she's had voice training. I love opera, so Tarja never struck me as being "amazingly talented." But she was pretty good, and her voice was unique...Anette is very talented, but I can't tell her voice apart from others'. =/
...WHAT?! O_O Not pretty?! 
Aishwarya Rai is probably one of the most beautiful women in the world, and certainly the most beautiful Indian woman I've ever seen, but I'm not sure if she could fit any parts. 
(I tried to pick smaller pictures this time. Sorry about last time, guys.) |
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| bigR |
Sorry but I still don't see it... I find her face really weird, even in the side of ugly when the pics are not not extremely airbrushed. she has a kind of nice cury body, but still she is too big and I don't find her very feminine when she is moving...
Now, you are going to start thinking that I do it in purpose, but i don't like Aishwarya either. She has indeniable beautiful facial traits, but when all this traits are put together the result is disturbing and a bit unpleasant. She makes me think of a reptile! So, I guess I have to show now what is a really beautiful woman for me. Well, Monica Bellucci has the honour of having made me forget i am straight more than once and more than twice... she is sexiness, feminity, beauty... (no part for her in les mis, though) 
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| Orestes Fasting |
...I like this thread now. 
I refuse to take part in the debate, but I'm in favor of it going on indefinitely as long as everyone keeps producing eye candy to back up their assertions. |
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| lesmisloony |
Haha, I didn't even notice. And I'm willing to bet no one else did either...
I'm almost positive the Book says that he has blue eyes. If anyone knows otherwise, do let me know! |
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| bigR |
ufff... It seems that I definitely will have to re-read it *huge fan of 19th century french novels and ex sorbonne literature student totally scared about it because (sacrilege!) les mis�rables is the only book from the period she finds boring* It's being so long since I did it, that I seem to have forgotten everything non enjolras related... |
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| lesmisloony |
OMG READ IT IT IS THE GREATEST. | ||||||||
| Kragey |
Monica Bellucci is FUGLY.
And I personally find Aishwarya Rai very fluid and feminine, especially when she dances...but I have a weakness for hot Asian dancers, so my opinion is biased. |
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| Mistress |
I think Ellen Page could makea decent Eponine, and now that she's older, I'd love to see Rebecca Caine try Fantine...oh wait, she's a soprano...my bad 
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
^ Mistress Caine SHOULD try it. I reckon she could do it. | ||||||||
| bigR |
Well, we'll definitely never fight for the same woman. That's a good thing 
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| Nightwish |
I think Anette is fantastic, although she's definately no Tarja... Woo, Sharon (my idol...)! She'd do well on Broadway, but I'd keep her in WT... She has so much passion there. |
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| Futuretonywinner |
I think Michael Crawford could be Jean Valjean.
I also think Idina Menzel could be a good Eponine. |
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
Disagree. If she'd play any role in LM it would be Fantine. |
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| jarrod001 |
Nicole Kidman as Fantine if they did a movie or something | ||||||||
| lesmisloony |
Ughhh you guys. Fantine was only twenty-six or twenty-seven when she died, right? Do correct me if that's completely untrue garbage. But I'm fed up with Fantine always being thought of as so old in the fandom just because she had a kid and used to hang out with Valjean and Javert. I'm not fussing at any of you in particular, by the way. Just sayin'. Fantine deserves more attention. The show has this obnoxious trend of casting anyone with talent who's "too old" to play Eponine or Cosette as Fantine, like... let's say... Judy Kuhn? It's like Fantine is only worth being the latest recycling instead of great and fangirl-worthy on her own. It stinks.
That said... if we can time-travel, I'm all for casting a young Kate Winslet as Fantine rather than Nicole Kidman. I mean, both would work... I just like Kate Winslet's "look" better. I may have mentioned this before, but if an ideal movie is made I demand all the actors be the about same age as their characters. Which means sixteen-year-old Eponines and Cosettes. It worked for that old Romeo and Juliet movie. |
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
Loony:
Agreed on every point. I disagreed with the casting of Idina as Eponine not because of her age, but because ... I honestly couldn't see her as Eponine. Wrong type. And as much as I love Judy, she's 50 years old. The only leading female character in LM who should be anywhere near 50 years old is Mme. T. I don't know exactly how old Fantine was when she died (Orestes? Any clue?), I'm guessing she wasn't much older than 25, if that ... if I'm remembering correctly, Cosette was seven or eight when she died, and I figured Fantine was a teenager when she messed around with Tholomyes. So, yes, those cast as Fantine should definitely be peers of those cast as Eponine and Cosette. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Fantine was introduced at the age of twenty-one, and died at twenty-six or twenty-seven. She was older than the "second generation" characters, yes, but her story took place when she was about the same age as them. (For comparison, Enjolras was introduced at twenty-two and died at twenty-six, and was exactly ten years younger than Fantine.)
I feel like there should be more leeway in the casting of Fantine than, say, Marius or Eponine, if only because her suffering aged her horribly. But when she sits down to sing I Dreamed a Dream and already looks like she's in her forties, that could be a problem. |
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| Colle |
I am fine that there seems to be some leeway in casting Eponine, for the same reason Orestes Fasting mentioned there should be more leeway in casting Fantine. Hugo does mention that Eponine ages because of her suffering too. Cosette, Marius, and the other students should look young(for the most part) IMO. Overall, I would care more about the look than the actors' actually age, so he or she would be believible in the role(s). |
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| bigR |
Well, of course, I wouldn't care about how old the actors actually are, but about how old they can look.
About Fantine, I think that I would go for an actres who looks older than her mid-20s. It would be different if it was another movie based on the book, because then, she would have to play pre-factory Fantine, but since her first appearence in the musical is when she gets fired from the factory, I think that it would be ok for her to look older. When travelling to poorer countries one of the things I've noticed is that you don't easily find women who look in their 20s. They are plenty of beautiful teenagers and then middle aged matrons. Motherhood, bad feeding and hard work seems to age those women in an eyeblink. My guess is that 19th century empoverished and working class women weren't that different. |
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
Yes it does. And may I say ... that's one reason why I love Ruthie so much. During the TAC, which was after she'd played the role for a while, she was only 28, and sympathetic and beautiful. Totally not a "leftover Cosette/Eponine" kind of Fantine. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
What's funny is this trend didn't even really get into full gear until Jane Bodle was cast as Fantine on Broadway, and relatively speaking, it wasn't that long ago. I guess if it ain't broke (even if some fans think it is)... |
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| lesmisloony |
True. I may have been glaring directly at the revival when I made that comment. But, like it or not, the revival has really affected a lot of people's views of the show, as many have just been introduced to it within the last two years or so. So a lot of people in this thread have wanted to cast any woman they like who's too old for Cosette or Eponine as Fantine, as though it were a last resort to keep her in the show. And that's what bugs.
But I think I'm bitter in general because I am moving into a Fantine obsession (I cycle through the characters, you know) and I feel like half the fanfic that's given to Eponine should be given to Fantine, and I want to know why she isn't fangirl-worthy when she's a much more tragic character. |
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| The Pirate King |
Oh, I agree. I'm a total Javert fanboy (with honourable mentions to Valjean and Enjolras), but I'll be the first to admit that IDAD, from "And still I dream he'll come to me..." to the end, gives me the chills as much as anything else in the show. "Lord, let me find him..." included. |
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| Monsieur D'Arque |
He's a rather non-traditional choice, but after listening to Les Mis and then some of his stuff, I realized that Martin Short would make a good Thenardier.
He's not (in his standard, non-made-up appearance) a fat man, but he is very short, and his peculiar, distinctive voice, what with its perpetually dark vocal tones, odd laugh, and tendency to shift vocal registers from a rough upper register into an alarming growl, would make a perfect Thenardier. |
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| The Pirate King |
Thenardier described by Hugo (if my memory serves me well) was exceedingly thin and ratlike. Dont' know where the idea of a fat Thenardier came from--hell, even Alun Armstrong was scrawny. |
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| Monsieur D'Arque |
Yeah. Hugo's description is Marty to a T. | ||||||||
| jarrod001 |
Nicoles only 40. And I think that how she was all dying and what not in Moulin Rouge is kinda like Fantine, and her singing is beautiful I WANT HER TO BE FANTINE my life would be complete |
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| Catherine |
Did this make anyone else laugh? "Yeah she used to hang with them. She hated Valjean and got arrested by Javert. Good times..." |
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| bigR |
for me her age wouldn't be a problem. But nicole kidman had just an o.k. voice for moulin rouge. there's no way on earth she could handle Fantine. And yet, that would be my minor concern. What would you suggest to do with her freakishly botoxed (sooo 19th century) face? |
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| lesmisloony |
Voila pourquoi je t'aime. 
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| The Pirate King |
Do I win? I haven't taken any French yet but I understood that. Woo for French in college next year! |
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| lesmisloony |
Hehehe, there's no guarantee that that was correct French... but yes, you win. At life.
XD |
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| Mistress |
he and Jenny Galloway rocked out on the TAC! But yes, I think I'd like a skinny, rat-like Thenardier better than the fat, Beadle Bamford like one. Perhaps Richard Grant, if he could sing? James Nesbitt in his Hyde persona from Jekyll also comes to mind. As for Nicole Kidman I think she's an okay casting for Fantine, but I do agree about the botox issue. Soemtimes a too-modern face just ruins a period piece...like Anne Doody or whatever her name is from the King Soloman's Mines...and not to mention a rather leathery looking Patrick Swazey... Anyway, I think a really good Fantine would be...Ruth what's-her-name, who played the title role in the Toby Stephen's Jane Eyre miniseries on the BBC a couple year's back. I8 don't know if she sings, but she's certainly pretty enough and about 27 or 28, so she's about the right age. I'm probably going to be severely hurt for this suggestion, but I think Kiera Knightly could also do a decent Fantine. She the right age, and God knows she's emeciated enough to play a convincing poverty-ridden 19th-century French hooker. And she's not bad looking. She seems like she could to the broken-hearted poor girl thing well. But she may still look too modern for a period piece. |
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| lesmisloony |
*hurts you* Fantine is blonde, remember? Her name is Fantine la Blonde. She's blonde. A lot of movies miss that fact... even (if not especially) French ones. It vexes me, Lucilla. But. This is what I did when this topic first started up. I was thinking about adding an "ideal movie cast" thinger to my website, so I started finding photos of my favourites and (poorly) doctoring them with GIMP... Healthy Fantine, ie with Felix: 
Sad starve-y hooker Fantine (and yes, that is Kate Winslet): 
See? Makeup is magical when you're going for the emaciated look... all I added were dark shadows on her cheeks and around her eyes, and suddenly she looks a bit like a winner of America's Next Top Model--I mean a starving hooker. But like I've said before, if we're time-travelling, Kate Winslet is/was my Fantine. |
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
*claps for Loony*
She does look quite Fantine-ish! Who else have you got in your ideal cast? |
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| Mistress |
It' called hairdye, Lonny...Knightly, or any other actress for that matter, could esaliy just die her hair blonde...and any way, if Fantine is blonde, why is Cosette brunette? (that's always bugged me)
And emeciated Kate Winslet looks CGI creepy...a really good Cosette pysically would be my challaenge and change teacher, who's blonde and skinny as a toothpick. ooooh...I good Javert could be Ted Atherton: http://nottnetworks.com/prxy/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5jdHYuY2EvYXJjaGl2ZXMvQ1RWU2hvd3MvaW1nMi8xNjAvMTYwX3RlZF9hdGhlcnRvbjIuanBn Oaky, perhpas he's way out there...but he was an amazing Scar, from what I remember...but perhaps he'd be better as Enjorlas...except he'sold...but I think he coudl be a good acerbic lawman if he had to be albeit he might give Javert more humour than we are used to.[/url] |
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
Mistress, hon, Cosette isn't blonde. She's brunette, alluded to by Hugo in the novel.
Fantine is, indeed, blonde ... but do we know Tholomyes' hair color? If his hair was brown, it's no stretch of the imagination for Cosette to be brunette. Also ... maybe this is just me, but I would never imagine Cosette to be "skinny as a toothpick." Naturally somewhat thin, perhaps, but she had food and was likely well-figured. ... Someone correct me, please, if I've overlooked something. |
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| Tenalto |
...Genetics? Blonde is a recessive trait. |
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| lesmisloony |
But Keira Knightley isn't coloured like a blonde. She would look really unnatural, I think, and it would be obvious she'd died it. ...also, she's not a particularly good actress. Re: Felix's hair, it says he was bald, but I imagine it was brown beforehand or, you know, around the edges, or whatever.
Because that *was* CGI. But it reality, makeup can do magic tricks that *don't* look CGI. Ever seen Monster? I'm not really sure what this argument is about at this point. Kate's too old for Fantine now, but some years ago I think she would have been perfect. That's what I'm saying. ETA: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/lesmisloony/Movie%20Cast/ ^ What I have so far in my movie cast... |
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| Mistress |
I like Javier Bardem in the Javert hat and sideburns <3 And I know emaciated Winslet was CGId....that's why I said she was CGI creepy *sigh* You know what, if shw wasn't way over the hill for the part, I think Catherine Deneuve would've have been a good Fantine: 
She was quite beautiful when she was young...still is, actually. |
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 |
I like the Javert, Loonyface, and the Fantine. I didn't like the Enjolras so much, he wasn't pretty enough. And the Little Cosette was pretty good. She was a little too blond, though.
I nominate Gaspard Ulliel for Montparnasse.[/code] |
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| lesmisloony |
Nnnn, Ulliel looks too much like Andy Samberg.
My Montparnasse is a tie between Stephen Strait and Kragey's Gackt. As for Cosette, I always figured she might have been blonde-ish as a child. It changes. Lots of little kids have blonde hair that turns brown later and yeah. Also? Abigail Breslin is the only child actor who doesn't make my teeth curl. |
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| lesmisloony |
Y'know, Miranda Otto could make an acceptable Fantine too.
*is watching LOTR* I forget. Was mention ever made of Fantine's eye colour? I imagine they'd be blue like her daughter's. Cosette had to have gotten it from somewhere, and we all know about Felix's eyes... 
Anyway, we can stick contacts on younger!Kate Winslet's or Mirando Otto's eyes if need be, eh? That's what I'm going to do to Virginie for Cosette. ETA: Never mind, Miranda already has blue eyes. |
...What do you think of the new girl, Anette?
