soph-les-mis
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Quick question about TAC...I have finally found the TAC DVD in a store and I was watching it yesterday when I came up with a question, and I thought someone here must know...
- At One Day More, who is singing along with Valjean in the end line "tomorrow is the judgement day", right before "tomorrow we'll discover what our God in heaven has in store..."? I believe I heard two people singing it, is Javert the other one? Or is my ears completely out of order? 
Hope anyone can answere me, it is just a simple question, but I cant help wondering while I watch it.. 
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music is my life!!!
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i haven't got the music on me, but it'd seem logical that javert would sing it because he's always responding to valjean's "call"
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flying_pigs
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Yep, it's Javert or the ever amazing Philip Quast!
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mastachen
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So, I was watching my TAC and I noticed something that kind of annoyed me, so I decided, instead of starting my own thread, to post it in the first TAC thread I could find.
Michael Ball as Marius - what is up with his embarrassed shuffle during Red and Black? That's... not how I like my Marius's to be. I like them to be tough, and say f*ck off to Grantaire when he starts making fun of him. Michael Ball's Marius probably got picked on in elementary school and is just happy that Enjolras let him be part of the revolution. He obviously still gets picked on and still hasn't done anything about it. Wimp.
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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Aw, please. How tough can a character be when he's singing "A Heart Full of Love" in the next scene? Michael Ball's Marius was adorable, which was what the character was supposed to be.
IMHO.
Love,
Cosette
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mastachen
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A guy will always act tougher around guys than they would around girls. Trust me, I can come back from a fight with my friend and also sing A Heart Full of Love and make it heartfelt.
And besides, Adam Jacobs is really good at the "WTF is wrong with you, you drunk-ass douche" expression.
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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Hahaha, true that ... Adam Jacobs is such a wonderful Marius, my 2nd favorite all time. I guess there are a bunch of different ways to play it ... some are good .... others, not so much .... *ceases to make sense*
Love,
Cosette
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alien�gena
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| mastachen wrote: | A guy will always act tougher around guys than they would around girls. Trust me, I can come back from a fight with my friend and also sing A Heart Full of Love and make it heartfelt.
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Yep. But Marius is not a guy from 2008. He is living at the height of Romanticism in France. Romanticism guys who fall in love never hide it or act tough about it!!! They sight, they write poems, they daydream, they whine, they cry (all these in front of other men), and they commit suicide if they are not loved back! This may not be the way most guys would act in real life, but it's the period stereotype and Marius embodies Victor Hugo when he was a young and romantic poet in his twenties.
IMO Ball played Marius the way it should be... in the novel he is a loneley shy guy, I really don't see him reacting any other way.
Come on, in a book where you have revolutionaries holding hands and making puppy-eyes to each other, how tough can be someone who is said to be "of the race of poets"??
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Kragey
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| alien�gena wrote: | | mastachen wrote: | A guy will always act tougher around guys than they would around girls. Trust me, I can come back from a fight with my friend and also sing A Heart Full of Love and make it heartfelt.
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Yep. But Marius is not a guy from 2008. He is living at the height of Romanticism in France. Romanticism guys who fall in love never hide it or act tough about it!!! They sight, they write poems, they daydream, they whine, they cry (all these in front of other men), and they commit suicide if they are not loved back! This may not be the way most guys would act in real life, but it's the period stereotype and Marius embodies Victor Hugo when he was a young and romantic poet in his twenties.
IMO Ball played Marius the way it should be... in the novel he is a loneley shy guy, I really don't see him reacting any other way.
Come on, in a book where you have revolutionaries holding hands and making puppy-eyes to each other, how tough can be someone who is said to be "of the race of poets"?? |
Let's not forget that, a century or two prior, men wore just as much lace and frill as women did, and they cried openly (although for different reasons) and were still considered manly. The concept of what makes someone "manly" has, as alienigena said, changed over the years, and certainly differs from country to country as well. (Most of my cousins from France are automatically labeled as "total homos" when they fly in for a visit.)
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lesmisloony
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I absolutely agree with everything you said... except...
| Quote: | | Romanticism guys who fall in love never hide it |
because Marius totally tried to.
Every other word was spot on. I'm just nitpicking because... I wanted to have something to say? Or something?
Agreed that I loved Adam Jacobs as dopey!Marius. It gave him more of a character than most. Made him memorable and stuff, you know? Everyone else (ahem... being very general here; apologies) seems to pale next to Michael Ball. As far as I know.
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mastachen
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Sorry that I think Michael Ball played Marius as a sissy. I mean, Michael Ball is awesome in lots of ways, but... being manly is apparently not one of them. IMO, at least.
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Kragey
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You're allowed to think he's a wussy Marius. I just think that Marius isn't quite manly by modern standards to begin with, so it doesn't bother me. Anthony Warlow could own MB...
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lesmisloony
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I think Marius *is* wussy, though.
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Kragey
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| lesmisloony wrote: | | I think Marius *is* wussy, though. |
Well, he doesn't strike me as being a total coward. I mean, is he a raging hero? Hell no. But I think he's still relatable, because he--like Hugo's other characters--represents a part of humanity.
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mastachen
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Who do you think wears the pants in his relationship with Cosette?
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The Very Angry Woman
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| mastachen wrote: | | Who do you think wears the pants in his relationship with Cosette? |
Laura Kalpakian, of course.
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mastachen
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| The Very Angry Woman wrote: | | mastachen wrote: | | Who do you think wears the pants in his relationship with Cosette? |
Laura Kalpakian, of course. |
I haven't read her book, actually. What does the book say about their relationship?
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Fantine
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I haven't read it either, but I think Marius actually calls Cosette a bitch at some point.
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bigR
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| lesmisloony wrote: | | I think Marius *is* wussy, though. |
Oh,yes, in that I agree. Michael Ball plays Marius the way it should be: Wussy.
(I am alienigena, btw, but I've had to change my nick due to problems with password/mail account)
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bigR
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| mastachen wrote: | | The Very Angry Woman wrote: | | mastachen wrote: | | Who do you think wears the pants in his relationship with Cosette? |
Laura Kalpakian, of course. |
I haven't read her book, actually. What does the book say about their relationship? |
ha,ha, I don't remember it that well (probably because I never asked mysefl who wears the pants!) but I would say that Marius wears the pant BUT in a rather feminine way. After all, at the end he isolates Valjean and manages to convince Cosette not to see him frequently, but not in an authoritative-putting-his-food--down way, but being manipulative and cunning: "no, not today let's see old Papa tomorrow".[/b]
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lesmisloony
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From what I remember of "Cosette" (and it was four years ago that I read it...) Cosette convinces Marius to start some illegal newspaper... and she joins him at the barricades part two... and... uhhh... they have lots of smutty relationship moments that squicked me out at the time.
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Fantine
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lol 
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EponineMNFF
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| lesmisloony wrote: | | From what I remember of "Cosette" (and it was four years ago that I read it...) Cosette convinces Marius to start some illegal newspaper... and she joins him at the barricades part two... and... uhhh... they have lots of smutty relationship moments that squicked me out at the time. |
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Kragey
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| lesmisloony wrote: | | They have lots of smutty relationship moments that squicked me out at the time. |
For some odd reason, "smutty" and "Cosette" don't fit together in my mind.
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Glissando
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I think I was meant to be born in the romantic period where guys would write poems for me. I think Michael Ball's Marius is one of the most adorable characters in MT.
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lesmisloony
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| Quote: | | I think I was meant to be born in the romantic period where guys would write poems for me. |
Me too. But I would also want them to wear tight vests and big floofy white shirts and cravats and top hats and boots. And stuff.
*gazes at Mr. Rochester*
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Fantine
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| lesmisloony wrote: | | Quote: | | I think I was meant to be born in the romantic period where guys would write poems for me. |
Me too. But I would also want them to wear tight vests and big floofy white shirts and cravats and top hats and boots. And stuff.
*gazes at Mr. Rochester* |
Oh me too. Maybe us mizzies are crazy like that? Because we seem to have really inter-related interests. Mine involves clothing from 1800 to early 1900's and I absolutely adore history drama series. Not to mention that I think that the guys from Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensibility, the Forsythe Saga etc. all look rather gorgeous.
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mastachen
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| Kragey wrote: | | lesmisloony wrote: | | They have lots of smutty relationship moments that squicked me out at the time. |
For some odd reason, "smutty" and "Cosette" don't fit together in my mind. |
It's only a letter away from 'slutty'...
I bet Cosette is cheating on Michael Ball's Marius and he knows about it but is too wimpy to bring it up.
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lesmisloony
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 I know you're joking, but my instinct to leap to Cosette's defense almost knocked me out there for a moment...
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eponine5
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I think that if she tried, Cosette could get Marius to do anything she wanted. She just doesn't try.
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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Oh, I think Cosette definitely had Marius wrapped around her finger. Especially the "lovesick tenor" Michael Ball style Marius. I love it.
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soph-les-mis
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It's so cute before they start singing in "A Heart full of Love", when Michael Ball look all shy and is fixing his clothes... And it looks as though Philip Quast is laughing at Michael from his seat!
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Glissando
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| soph-les-mis wrote: | | It's so cute before they start singing in "A Heart full of Love", when Michael Ball look all shy and is fixing his clothes... And it looks as though Philip Quast is laughing at Michael from his seat! |
Haha I saw that and I was like "oh Michael Ball...."
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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Ahahaha. The first time I saw that, I flipped out ... I was like, "GAHHH! OH MY GOD, HE'S SO CUTE RIGHT NOW!!! *major fangirl moment* AAAHHH!" No, seriously. Michael's Marius is adorable. He has the right face for a wimpy!Marius type. Love it.
Love,
Cosette
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mastachen
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 wrote: | He has the right face for a wimpy!Marius type. Love it.
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Hmm...
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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| mastachen wrote: | | curlyhairedsoprano91 wrote: | He has the right face for a wimpy!Marius type. Love it.
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Hmm... |
You know what??
You know what??
Iiiiiii don't like you anymore.
*tries not to laugh*
*tries not to laugh*
*laughs*
Umm, but you know exactly what I mean/meant. When he was Marius, both West End and TAC, he was right for it.
... But God almighty, have you seen what's happened since ... *laughs*
Love,
Cosette
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mastachen
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 wrote: |
... But God almighty, have you seen what's happened since ... *laughs*
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....Thinks he's quite a lover but there's.....not much there?
Which would explain...
| mastachen wrote: | | I bet Cosette is cheating on Michael Ball's Marius and he knows about it but is too wimpy to bring it up. |
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lesmisloony
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*dies laughing*
I dunno... I made that icon earlier today, and I thought it applicable...
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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HAHAHAHA I love it.
Geez, Adam Jacobs is quite a looker, isn't he. Haha, I feel so airheaded for not bothering to look before.
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