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| happyguava |
Ridiculously stupid question...... but some of us don't know these things!!!!What are the differences between the school edition an dthe regular one? |
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| Kragey |
Tons, and I'm pretty sure we've had this thread a few times. Most of it is cuts. | ||||||
| Aimee |
The threads we had before got pruned a few weeks ago unfortunately. If someone can list the cuts again that would really be helpful for this and for the future. I'd do it but I don't know the cuts.
Thanks. |
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| nicnikniki |
All I can think of so far is that there is no Confrontation and the second verse of Come To Me is cut - and isn't part of A Little Fall Of Rain cut too? | ||||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
Also, part of the Prologue is cut, and I believe the "preamble" to Master of the House is too. | ||||||
| Orestes Fasting |
The second verse of Come To Me, the bit in the prologue between "...honest men like me" and "and now I know how freedom feels," and a large bit of the scene before MotH have been cut in the professional productions too, or at least the 3NT. Not sure about London. I don't know if the cuts to the prologue and MotH are more extensive in the school edition, but those appear to be across the board.
But yeah, the school edition has no Confrontation and I think a few of the songs have been brought down a step or two. The changes are mostly for length and to make it easier for HS students to sing: there's no censoring of Lovely Ladies, MotH, the death scenes, etc. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Yes, London has it too, and so did Broadway for two years. |
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| broadwaybaby124 |
Is Castle on a Cloud in the school edition??
j/w thanks |
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| Kragey |
Yes. |
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| dramatic_mizfit |
So wait, they cut out songs for length but didn't censor Lovely Ladies? Or did I read that wrong?
I always thought that one had been cut out due to the content. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Got it in one. Every girl I've ever met who was in a SE production went on at length about the costume she got to wear as a whore... apparently it's a fun scene. 
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| Kragey |
I can't imagine them cutting "Lovely Ladies". It's one of the few upbeat songs in the show, Fantine becomes a prostitute in it, and it's also one of the more popular tunes. And really, the lyrics aren't that dirty. |
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| Mr_X |
They don't cut it, but they do change some parts. The part with the locket is cut for sure. If I have enough time, since I was in the school edition last year, I'll post all the cuts in the songs. | ||||||
| Mr_X |
Here, I might as well start it off. The cuts are in bold.
Prologue-Work Song Valjean: Now every door is closed to me Another jail. Another key. Another chain For when I come to any town They check my papers And they find the mark of Cain In their eyes I see their fear `We do not want you here.' Innkeeper's Wife: My rooms are full And I've no supper to spare I'd like to help a stranger All we want is to be fair Valjean: I will pay in advance I can sleep in a barn You see how dark it is I'm not some kind of dog! Innkeeper: You leave my house Or feel the weight of my rod We're law-abiding people here Thanks be to God. Valjean Arrested/Valjean Forgiven Valjean: Yet why did I allow that man To touch my soul and teach me love? He treated me like any other He gave me his trust He called me brother My life he claims for God above Can such things be? For I had come to hate the world This world that always hated me Take an eye for an eye! Turn your heart into stone! This is all I have lived for! This is all I have known! None in At The End of the Day orI Dreamed a Dream The Docks AKA Lovely Ladies Old Woman: Come here, my dear Let's see this trinket you wear This bagatelle... Fantine: Madame, I'll sell it to you... Old Woman: I'll give you four Fantine: That wouldn't pay for the chain! Old Woman: I'll give you five. You're far to eager to sell. It's up to you. Fantine: It's all I have Old Woman: That's not my fault Fantine: Please make it ten Old Woman: No more than five My dear, we all must stay alive! Women: Lovely ladies Waiting in the dark Ready for a thick one Or a quick one in the park Whore 1 Long time short time Any time, my dear Cost a little extra if you want to take all year! All: Quick and cheap is underneath the pier! Whore 1: God, I'm weary! Sick enough to drop. Belly burns like fire - will the bleeding ever stop? Pimp: Cheer up, dearie. Show a happy face. Plenty more like you here if you can't keep up the pace! Whore 1: Only joking - dearie knows her place... Fantine's Arrest Bamatabois: By Christ you'll pay for what you've done This rat will make you bleed, you'll see! I guarantee, I'll make you suffer For this disturbance of the peace For this insult to life and property! Fantine: I beg you, don't report me sir I'll do whatever you may want Bamatabois Make your excuse to the police! That's it for now. |
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| Jordan |
That is cut from London these days. |
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| Mr_X |
Here's the next batch.
The Cart Crash Voices: Look at that! Stay away! You'll be crushed by the cart! Don't approach! Don't go near! Or that load's gonna fall! Oh my God! Who is that? It's Monsieur Fauchelevant! There is nothing to do! There is nothing to do! Valjean: You say this man denies it all And gives no sign of understanding or repentance? You say this man is going to trial And that's he's sure to be returned To serve his sentence? Come to that, can you be sure, That I am not your man? Javert: I have known the thief for ages Tracked him down through thick and thin And to make the matter certain There's the brand upon his skin He will bend, he will break This time there is no mistake. None in Who Am I? Come to Me (Fantine's Death) Cosette: Hurry near, another day is dying Don't you hear, the winter wind is crying? There's a darkness which comes without a warning But I will sing you lullabies and wake you in the morning. Confrontation is completely cut. Castle on a Cloud Young Cosette: There is a room that's full of toys, There are a hundred boys and girls, Nobody shouts or talks too loud, Not in my castle on a cloud. Oh help! I think I hear them now, and I'm nowhere near finished sweeping and scrubbing and polishing the floor. Oh, it's her! It's Madame! The Innkeeper's Song AKA Master of the House Drinkers: 3. Come on you old pest 2. Fetch a bottle of your best 1. What's the nectar of the day? Th�nardier: Here, try this lot Guaranteed to hit the spot Or I'm not Th�nardier Drinkers Gissa glass a rum Landlord, over here! Th�nardier: Right away, you scum (to himself) Right away, m'sieur (to customer) Diners 1. God this place has gone to hell 2. So you tell me every year Drinkers 6. Mine host Th�nardier He was there so they say, At the field of Waterloo 7. Got there, it's true When the fight was all through 1. But he knew just what to do Crawling through the mud So I've heard it said Picking through the pockets Of the English dead 8. He made a tidy score From the spoils of war Th�nardier: My band of soaks My den of dissolutes My dirty jokes, my always pissed as newts. My sons of whores Spent their lives in my inn Homing pigeons homing in They fly through my doors And their money's as good as yours Wife Don't have a clue what he put into this stew, must've scraped it off the street. Husband God, what a wine Chateau Neuf de Turpentine, must've pressed it with his feet Wife Where's the wretched man? Husband Landlord, over here! Drinkers One more for the road! Th�nardier, one more slug o' gin. Girl: Just one more, or my old man is gonna do me in. The Well Scene is completely cut The Bargain Mme. Th�nardier: Let me have your coat, M'sieur Valjean: Cosette shall live in my protection Th�nardier: You are very welcome here Valjean: I will not forsake my vow Th�nardier: Take a glass Mme. Th�nardier: Take a chair Valjean: Cosette shall have a father now! Th�nardier Waltz of Treachery Valjean: Come, Cosette, come, my dear From now on I will always be here Where I go, you will be. Cosette: Will there be children and castles to see? Valjean: Yes, Cosette, yes, it's true. There's a castle just waiting for you. More to come later. |
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| Jordan |
That part of Master Of The House is also cut from London. | ||||||
| Mr_X |
Next batch of songs...
The Beggars AKA Look Down Old Beggar Woman: What you think yer at? Hanging round me pitch? If you're new around here, girl You've got a lot to learn! Young Prostitute: Listen you old bat... Crazy bloody witch... 'Least I give me customers Some pleasure in return! Old Beggar Woman: I know what you give! Give 'em all the pox! Spread around your poison Till they end up in a box. Pimp: Leave the poor old cow, Move it, Madeleine. She used to be no better Till the clap got to her brain. Beggars: When's it gonna end? When we gonna live? Something's gotta happen now or Something's gonna give It'll come, it'll come, it'll come It'll come, it'll come, it'll come The Robbery Th�nardier: Everyone here, you know your place Brujon, Babet, Claquesous You, Montparnasse, watch for the law With Eponine take care You turn on the tears No mistakes, my dears Stars There, out in the darkness A fugitive running Fallen from grace Fallen from grace God be my witness I never shall yield Till we come face to face Till we come face to face He knows his way in the dark Mine is the way of the Lord And those who follow the path of the righteous Shall have their reward And if they fall As Lucifer fell The flame The sword! The ABC Cafe-Red and Black Enjolras: Well, Courfeyrac, do we have all the guns? Feuilly, Combeferre, our time is running short. Grantaire, put the bottle down! Do we have the guns we need? Grantaire: Give me brandy on my breath And I'll breathe them all to death! Courfeyrac: In St. Antoine they're with us to a man! Combeferre: In Notre Dame they're tearing up the stones! Feuilly: Twenty rifles good as new! Gavroche: Listen! Joly: Twenty rounds for every man! Gavroche: Listen to me! Jean Prouvaire: Double that in Port St. Cloud! Gavroche: Listen everybody! Lesgles: Seven guns in St. Martin! Enjolras: On his funeral day they will honour his name With the light of rebellion ablaze in their eyes! From their candles of grief, we will kindle our flame On the tomb of Lamarque shall our Barricade rise! The time is near! Let us welcome it gladly with courage and cheer Let us take to the streets with no doubt in our hearts But a jubilant shout They will come one and all They will come when we call! None is cut in Do You Hear the People Sing?, In My Life, or A Heart Full of Love. The Attack on Rue Plumet Eponine: 'Parnasse, what are you doing So far out of our patch? Montparnasse: This house, we're going to do it Rich man, plenty of scratch You remember he's the one That got away the other day? Got a brand upon his chest Perhaps a fortune put away! Eponine: Oh Lord, somebody help me! Dear God, what'll I do? He'll think this is an ambush He'll think I'm in it too! What'll I do, what'll I say? I've got to warn them here I've got to find a way. Claquesous: What a palaver What an absolute treat To watch a cat and its father Pick a bone in the street Brujon: Not a sound out of you! Eponine: Well I told you I'd do it, told you I'd do it... And of course, no cuts in One Day More. That would just be cruel. |
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| Kragey |
I'm pretty sure that was in our school's version. |
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| Mr_X |
It shouldn't have been. It goes from Fantine's "I'll kill you, your bastard, try any of that...", then she scratches him and Javert and his Constables walk in, nothing inbetween.
Anyhow, here's some of Act 2 cuts. Upon These Stones-Building the Barricade Prouvaire: Now the people will fight Grantaire: And so they might Dogs will bark Fleas will bite. Lesgles: They will do what is right! No cuts in On My Own, that would be very cruel also. Upon These Stones-At the Barricade Students: Now we pledge ourselves to hold this barricade Marius: Let them come in their legions And they will be met Enjolras: Have faith in yourselves And don't be afraid Grantaire: Let's give 'em a screwing That they'll never forget! Combeferre: This is where it begins! Courfeyrac: And if I should die in the fight to be free Where the fighting is hardest There will I be Feuilly: Let them come if they dare We'll be there! Javert's Arrival Javert: Listen my friends I have done as I said I have been to their lines I have counted each man I will tell what I can Better be warned They have armies to spare And the danger is real We will need all our cunning To bring them to heel. Enjolras: Have faith If you know what their movements are We'll spoil their game There are ways that a people can fight We shall overcome their power Little People Courfeyrac: Take the bastard now and shoot him! Feuilly: Let us watch the devil dance! Lesgles: You'd have done the same, Inspector, If we'd let you have your chance! Javert: Shoot me now or shoot me later Every schoolboy to his sport Death to each and every traitor I renounce your people's court! Combeferre: Though we may not all survive here There are things that never die Grantaire: What's the difference, die a schoolboy, Die a policeman, die a spy? Enjolras: Take this man, bring him through There is work we have to do! A Little Fall of Rain Marius: You would live a hundred years If I could show you how I won't desert you now... Eponine: The rain can't hurt me now This rain will wash away what's past And you will keep me safe And you will keep me close I'll sleep in your embrace at last. The rain that brings you here Is Heaven-blessed! The skies begin to clear And I'm at rest A breath away from where you are I've come home from so far No cuts in Night of Anguish (Valjean's Arrival) The First Attack Lesgles: See how they turn and run! Grantaire: And so the war was won! This is changed to Lesgles: See how they run away! Grantaire: By God we've won the day! Javert: You would trade your life for mine. Yes, Valjean, you want a deal! Shoot me now for all I care! If you let me go, beware, You'll still answer to Javert! And lastly, no cuts in Drink With Me or Bring Him Home. |
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| Fantine |
Could someone make a 'sticky' out of this? | ||||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
And the US tour, but Broadway before either that or London. |
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| Aimee |
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| Kate1197 |
Definitely make it a sticky. I started looking through this forum a couple months ago because we were considering the SE for my school's show next year (I'm the music director), and it was really helpful.
-Kate |
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| Fantine |
Well maybe you could open a new thread, call it 'School Edition' or something and quote all these changes... That way it'll be easier to find instead of 'Ridiculous question' ladieda. |
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| Kragey |
I'm all for that. We get this question more than enough to warrant a sticky. |
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| kittengoespop |
Bump.
I thought it appropriate since this is still a valid topic, and it still isn't complete. Unless, of course, there are absolutely no cuts after "Bring Him Home". But it is still a valid topic. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Part of Dog Eats Dog and the wedding reception are cut. | ||||||
| AndrewShatterhand |
Wow. They've cut quite a bit out. How could they take that part out of the soliloquy? It's the best part of that song. | ||||||
| kittengoespop |
What part of Dog Eats Dog? I love that song! And, ideally, I would have this thread continue as it went before, with the cuts specifically listed, but if not, that's cool. | ||||||
| Mr_X |
Here's the last batch.
Dawn of Anguish-cut completely Second Attack, Gavroche's Death, and The Final Battle-no changes Dog Eat Dog- Ok, this one's confusing. Everything that's in parenthesis goes before the unbolded stuff. Th�nardier: Here's a hint of gold Stuck into a tooth Pardon me M'sieur You won't be needing it no more. Shouldn't be too hard to sell. Add it to the pile Add it to the stock Here among the sewer rats A breath away from Hell You get accustomed to the smell. Well someone's got to clean 'em up, my friends Bodies on the highway Law and order upside down Someone's got to collect their odds and ends As a service to the town! (Here's a tasty ring Pretty little thing Wouldn't want to waste it That would really be a crime Thank you sir, I'm in your debt) Here's another toy Take it off the boy His heart's no longer going And he's lived his little time But his watch is ticking yet! Well, someone's got to clean them up, my friends Before the little harvest Disappears into the mud Someone's got to collect their odds and ends When the gutters run with blood. It's a world where the dogs eat the dogs Where they kill for bones in the street And God in His Heaven He don't interfere 'Cause he's dead as the stiffs at my feet I raise my eyes to see the heavens And only the moon looks down The harvest moon shines down! No cuts in The Sewers or Javert's Suicide Turning Woman 1: Did you see them Going off to fight? Woman 2: Children of the barricade Who didn't last the night? Woman 3: Did you see them Lying where they died? Someone used to cradle them And kiss them when they cried. Woman 4: Did you see them lying side by side? Woman 5: Who will wake them? Woman 6: No one ever will. Woman 2: No one ever told them That a summer day can kill. Woman 7: They were schoolboys Never held a gun... Fighting for a new world That would rise up like the sun. Woman 3: Where's that new world now the fighting's done? Woman 4: Nothing changes. Woman 7: Nothing ever will. Woman 8: Every year another brat, another mouth to fill. Woman 7: Same old story. What's the use of tears? Woman 5: What's the use of praying if there's nobody who hears? No cuts in Empty Chairs Every Day Cosette: A heart full of love A night full of you The words are old But always true. Oh, God, for shame You did not even know my name! Marius: Dear Mad'moiselle I was lost in your spell. Cosette: A heart full of love No fear no regret `My name is Marius Pontmercy' No cuts I believe in Valjean's Confession Wedding Chorus: Ring out the bells upon this day of days! May all the angels of the Lord above In jubilation sing their songs of praise! And crown this blessed time with peace and love. Marius: When I look at you, I remember Eponine. She was more than you deserved, who gave her birth But now she is with God and happier, I hope, Than here on earth! Th�nardier: So it goes, heaven knows Life has dealt me some terrible blows. Mme. Th�nardier: You've got cash and a heart You could give us a bit of a start! We can prove, plain as ink Your bride's father is not what you think. Th�nardier: There's a tale I could tell Mme. Th�nardier: Information we're willing to sell... Th�nardier: There's a man that he slew I saw the corpse clear as I'm seeing you! What I tell you is true! Beggars at the Feast Th�nardier: Ain't it a laugh? Ain't it a treat? Hob-nobbin' here Among the elite? Here comes a prince There goes a Jew. This one's a queer But what can you do? Paris at my feet Paris in the dust And here's me breaking bread Epilogue Valjean: Alone I wait in the shadows I count the hours till I can sleep I dreamed a dream Cosette stood by It made her weep to know I die. Alone at the end of the day Upon this wedding night I pray Take these children, my Lord, to thy embrace And show them grace. And, of course, no cuts in the final song. With the upper crust! |
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| kittengoespop |
Are those honestly the cuts in "Dog Eats Dog"? That makes me really mad. That destroys the song, and waters it down to a paltry shadow of the original song. And besides, that's Thenardier's aria! It's the only song he sings by himself, and they cut it. For the love of God, if they're going to butcher it that badly, why not just cut it completely, put it out of its misery? That's just sad, and I'm really angry. |
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| AndrewShatterhand |
I don't think "Dog Eat Dog" is THAT important to the story, it really only needs a verse or two to get the point across.
I cut it most of when I wrote my screenplay. |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
As an actor *flourishes hand* I honestly can say i found it terrible that they cut so much of Dog Eats Dog. When i played the character i was upset and outraged but there really was little i could do about it!
I know those among you who think oh well it doesn't need alot to get the poitn across...BUT at the same time it says an aweful lot about Thenarider and his attitude and provides the contrast to allow the audience to understand the pure evil that lies beneath the humour. Besides this i feel that the actor playing Thenarider should be allowed the time to sing thier socks off and prove they aren't just a pretty (or not so pretty) face! |
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| eponine5 |
no!
I can't believe they cut so much, how long is the school edition then? Because they honestly didn't have to cut it that short, my school hasn't done Les Miserables, but the musicals it does do can go up to 2 hours, 30 minutes anyway. They seem to have shaved it down to simply what the plot needs, rather than what the story and characters need. And the 'alone I wait' bit in the epilogue is my favourite part of the whole play! Does every production ALWAYS stick to that exact cut version, or do some manage to insert a few of the cuts? |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Of course they do. Many music teachers, drama teachers, artistic directors, and principals believe they're above the law. |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
We...stuck rigidly to the provided music/score.lib and our show was 2 hours on the dot! I agree that cuts were made, and i disagree with some, however one must point out that these were made by the highest of high authorities, and in my opinion those that re-insert the cuts are:
A) Foolish - Do they not realise they could have their arses sued off!? B) Jepodising the show as a whole C) Ignoring recomendations made by experts? Silly silly people! |
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| eponine5 |
You're probably right, but I'm sure there are many people who could not bear to allow songs like Castle on a Cloud and A little Fall of Rain to be butchered in that way. | ||||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
Then they need to pick another show. |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
Exactly...if you can't confrom to what they want then don't do the show. Simple. I'm not agreeing with the butchering becasue i think it's shocking too..but please deal with it. BUT there are those who just feel they can change the show because they are special or something. | ||||||
| Orestes Fasting |
Recommendations made by experts, pah. The only good reason to go along with the cuts is because you might get your arse handed to you by CamMack & Co. if you don't. Why else?
1. You want to drastically reduce the running time--why did you pick Les Mis then?! 2. Your cast is too pathetic to learn that much music--go put on Bye Bye Birdie or something. Random question I should know the answer to but I'm blanking on--are non-school community theaters allowed to do the SE as long as the performers are young enough? |
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| olly |
No, they have to be registered school and it has to be performed in a registered school, apart from special cirsumstances.
As the school edition's own site states: 1. The entire cast must be 19 years of age or under. 2. The entire cast must all be full-time High, Middle or Elementary School students 3. No member of the cast may be paid a salary, a percentage of ticket sales, a flat fee or any similar compensation. 4. No member of the cast may be a member of an actors' union such as Actors Equity, SAG, AGVA. This must be a completely amateur cast. 5. The production may be presented to a total potential audience of no more than 10,000 people, but, in any case, may be presented a maximum of no more than 15 performances, including previews, over a period three consecutive calendar weeks. 6. You may not tour this production. Each license is issued for a specific venue only. 7. All advertising and programs must clearly state that Les Mis�rables School Edition is being performed entirely by students. 8. All advertising must utilize the official Les Mis�rables School Edition logo provided to you as part of the director's script. 9. Press releases must state that this is a special school edition of Les Mis�rables performed entirely by students. |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
However i do believe thes rules have lop holes that have been exploited by communtiy thetares where they have affiliated the show to a school....such as performing it on their premises or used primarily their students BUT alos opened it up to a variety of other kids locally. | ||||||
| The Very Angry Woman |
That might be the case in the UK (and who are they "registered" with, anyway?), but not in the US. Plenty of youth groups affiliated with community theatres have put on the LMSE. |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
Registerd with the LEA (Local Education Authority) | ||||||
| Moci |
It's not the case in the UK. Schools and Youth groups can perform it and so can "Church Groups, Community Theatre, University Dramatic and Musical Societies, Amateur Operatic and Dramatic Societies" if "they comply with the age restriction". |