EponineBarker
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What Do You Like/Dislike About 'On My Own'?(I read some comments on here recently of some people dissing the song, so that's what brought me to start this discussion.)
Okay, some people (i.e. Eppyboppers) view this song as their national anthem...others somewhat like it...and then there are those who completely hate it...why? What's your reason for liking/hating the song?
(And if you plan to respond, please give a valid reason why...don't just say OH THIZ SONG SUCKS BECAUSE IT'S SO BORING!!!1! or OMG I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH CUZ I CAN TOTALLY RELATE TO IT!!11!! okay?)
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Trevor reincarnate
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I do not like, nor dislike, On My Own.
It is a good song for what it's worth. If performed well, it can be moving. If performed poorly, it can be painful.
It is by far not the best song in the show. It is by far not the worst.
It's an average song.
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Sweeney Hyde
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| Trevor reincarnate wrote: | I do not like, nor dislike, On My Own.
It is a good song for what it's worth. If performed well, it can be moving. If performed poorly, it can be painful.
It is by far not the best song in the show. It is by far not the worst.
It's an average song. |
Agreed.
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Quique
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I like it when performed with passion.
I don't think it's a 'whiney' song at all. If anything, it's about accepting reality, no matter how painful.
I like it just as much as most of the other solos in the show, except, as I said before, I go all fanboy over orchestrations.
I don't mind that some fans dislike it and the musical version of the character, because they usually have very good points to back up their argument.
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EponineMNFF
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I really love the song, but I dislike what the fandom has done to it. I don't like the uber boppers who have made the song seem shallow and I don't like that I have been made to feel bad about liking it. I don't really care if people don't like the song, I just don't like when they get aggressive about it.
When the song is performed well, it can be really moving. If they focus on the acting rather than just the singing, it really is nice.
I agree with Quique. I love the orchestrations. A lot of the time when it comes up on my shuffle, I hum along to the orchestrations rather than the lyrics. Hah.
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Monsieur D'Arque
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I like the song best when performed with a tambourine and backup vocals, a la The Supremes or a Phil Spector Wall Of Sound song.
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mastachen
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Don't shoot me, but I think the revival's orchestration was an improvement from the original.
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EponineMNFF
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| mastachen wrote: | | Don't shoot me, but I think the revival's orchestration was an improvement from the original. |
I like the reviva'sl orchestration for OMO as well. 
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EponineBarker
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| EponineMNFF wrote: | | I really love the song, but I dislike what the fandom has done to it. I don't like the uber boppers who have made the song seem shallow and I don't like that I have been made to feel bad about liking it. |
I agree. I like the song, but I hate the reputation it's gotten.
| Quote: | | Don't shoot me, but I think the revival's orchestration was an improvement from the original. |
I like some of the new orchestations, especially the instumental part before and during "on my own, pretending he's beside me...etc.)
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Futuretonywinner
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I think that On My Own is a very good and passionate song
This song really gives us a look into Eponine's life and gives her character so much more life and soul. She really did love Marius, but she knew he would never love her back. That's something that everyone really can relate to. Without this song, Eponine would seem very bland and boring.
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lesmisloony
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Look at Loony being all ~Totally Over It~ and not replying to the above newbie comment!
The dead horse, it has already been beaten.
As to the song itself, I do like it to an extent. But I hate the way it makes it look like Eponine actually thinks she has a chance with Marius. She seemed to me that, in the Book, she had accepted that she had no chance... And then the line like, "And although I know that he is blind / Still I say there's a way for us" makes it look like *Marius* is the only thing stopping her from marrying him and moving to a castle in the countryside.
But, disconnecting it from its surroundings and context, I do love the song.
Just... please. Don't subject me to Girl Next Door With Smudge of Dirt Eponine.
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Quique
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| mastachen wrote: | | Don't shoot me, but I think the revival's orchestration was an improvement from the original. |
*Shoots you* 
Oh heeeeeell no! lol. I think the original orchestrations are far, far superior to the revival ones. The revival orchestration sucks all the power from it, and actually makes it sound more like what it's not--a whinefest. The original's booming brass toward the end and the lushness of the strings give it an air of courageousness and better expresses the conflicting emotions she's feeling.
The revival's orchestration has like a single weepy string instrument, shrill brass, and what sounds like a music box. Yuck.
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Trevor reincarnate
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| Quique wrote: | | mastachen wrote: | | Don't shoot me, but I think the revival's orchestration was an improvement from the original. |
*Shoots you*
Oh heeeeeell no! lol. I think the original orchestrations are far, far superior to the revival ones. The revival orchestration sucks all the power from it, and actually makes it sound more like what it's not--a whinefest. The original's booming brass toward the end and the lushness of the strings give it an air of courageousness and better expresses the conflicting emotions she's feeling.
The revival's orchestration has like a single weepy string instrument, shrill brass, and what sounds like a music box. Yuck. |
I liked them both. 
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Quique
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^ *Shoots you too* 
Well, consider yourself lucky, cause you probably enjoyed the revival a lot more than I did, hehe. I couldn't stand the orchestrations.
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Trevor reincarnate
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I was annoyed by the revival for a different reason.
I'll give you a hint. His name starts with an A and ended with an lexander Gemignani.
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Quique
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Really? I loved him. Though I saw his final performance, so maybe he put extra effort that night, haha. I wasn't expecting much out of him, but I was pleasantly surprised. =)
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Trevor reincarnate
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Did he overact Bring Him Home and randomly decide to have a heartattack halfway through?
If so, then I don't know what you smoked before the show that made you enjoy him, but whatever it is I want some.
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Quique
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Actually, I was at a bar having cocktails with Wayne before the show.
But I don't think that um...clouded my judgement. XD
He did not overact during BHH. His rendition made me cry so much, Wayne thought I was nuts, lol. Oh, and his Soliloquy was amazing.
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Trevor reincarnate
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Interesting.
Well I saw him in his infamous bad stage where he decided to start dieing before he was even old. And where he overacted everything. Espessially BHH.
Aaron Lazar was the standout to me. Then CKB. Then Lea Salonga.
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lesmisloony
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| Quote: | I was annoyed by the revival for a different reason.
I'll give you a hint. His name starts with an A and ended with an lexander Gemignani. |
| Quote: | | Did he overact Bring Him Home and randomly decide to have a heartattack halfway through? |
I really need to learn not to go to the forums while I'm in class.
Because my random giggling really annoys the people around me.
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Monsieur D'Arque
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Old orchestrations or new, I still stand by my belief that the song should begin with those drums from "Be My Baby" (although you probably know them more from "Good Morning Baltimore").
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM...
On my own...
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Fantine
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| EponineMNFF wrote: | I really love the song, but I dislike what the fandom has done to it. I don't like the uber boppers who have made the song seem shallow and I don't like that I have been made to feel bad about liking it. I don't really care if people don't like the song, I just don't like when they get aggressive about it.
When the song is performed well, it can be really moving. If they focus on the acting rather than just the singing, it really is nice.
I agree with Quique. I love the orchestrations. A lot of the time when it comes up on my shuffle, I hum along to the orchestrations rather than the lyrics. Hah. |
I agree with everything you've said. I would also like to add that I really cannot stand people who pretend to dislike (or bash) the song because of the eppie-boppers.
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mezzo_soprano
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| Monsieur D'Arque wrote: | Old orchestrations or new, I still stand by my belief that the song should begin with those drums from "Be My Baby" (although you probably know them more from "Good Morning Baltimore").
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM...
On my own... |
Even better lets set the song to an upbeat peppy tune like from Good Morning Baltimore. Oh oh oh, and now I'm all alone again.
(To anyone who is offended by this I was just kidding. I do Like the song the way it is)
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LesMisForever
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I like this song. It is actually one of my favourites, and i am certainly not a teenage girl
As Enrique said, it is a song about accepting reality, and the realiasation that you are not going to have what you want.
I think the music is very beautiful, and the lyrics are not that bad either. If sang in good fashion, then i like it quite a lot.
I also like it, because i think it has the same theme of "I dreamed a dream" (a very strong contender for my overall favourite).
Well, in the OFC, the melody belongs to Fantine.
However, like many, i dislike all the "fangirls" around it, but that is not the song's fault.
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Moci
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If it's done 'right' (which of course means the way I think it should be done ) , then it can be one of my favourite musical theatre songs, but if it's done 'wrong', then it can be cringeworthy and cliched. Just to echo what others have said, the original John Cameron orchestration is amazing and it adds so much to the song. The revival's orchestration for this song is one of the better ones, but that doesn't say a lot and it stops the song from soaring to the same emotions as the original.
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Fantine
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| mezzo_soprano wrote: | | Monsieur D'Arque wrote: | Old orchestrations or new, I still stand by my belief that the song should begin with those drums from "Be My Baby" (although you probably know them more from "Good Morning Baltimore").
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM...
On my own... |
Even better lets set the song to an upbeat peppy tune like from Good Morning Baltimore. Oh oh oh, and now I'm all alone again.
(To anyone who is offended by this I was just kidding. I do Like the song the way it is) |
What's wrong with Hairspray? 
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Moci
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| Fantine wrote: | | mezzo_soprano wrote: | | Monsieur D'Arque wrote: | Old orchestrations or new, I still stand by my belief that the song should begin with those drums from "Be My Baby" (although you probably know them more from "Good Morning Baltimore").
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM...
On my own... |
Even better lets set the song to an upbeat peppy tune like from Good Morning Baltimore. Oh oh oh, and now I'm all alone again.
(To anyone who is offended by this I was just kidding. I do Like the song the way it is) |
What's wrong with Hairspray? |
Well it wouldn't exactly fit with Les Mis...
'Cause you cant stop
The notion of emotion,
Take an eye for an eye,
You can just sit there if you wanna
But we will make you cry,
And by the end, Javert will drown,
And we'll have all gone to die and hey!
Now Les Mis is complete!
I'll get my coat...
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EponineBarker
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| Moci wrote: | | If it's done 'right' (which of course means the way I think it should be done ) , then it can be one of my favourite musical theatre songs, but if it's done 'wrong', then it can be cringeworthy and cliched. |
That's another question I wanted to bring up for discussion; how do you prefer to see the song done? What makes it believable to you? What (or who) ruins it for you?
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Trevor reincarnate
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| Moci wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | mezzo_soprano wrote: | | Monsieur D'Arque wrote: | Old orchestrations or new, I still stand by my belief that the song should begin with those drums from "Be My Baby" (although you probably know them more from "Good Morning Baltimore").
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM...
On my own... |
Even better lets set the song to an upbeat peppy tune like from Good Morning Baltimore. Oh oh oh, and now I'm all alone again.
(To anyone who is offended by this I was just kidding. I do Like the song the way it is) |
What's wrong with Hairspray? |
Well it wouldn't exactly fit with Les Mis...
'Cause you cant stop
The notion of emotion,
Take an eye for an eye,
You can just sit there if you wanna
But we will make you cry,
And by the end, Javert will drown,
And we'll have all gone to die and hey!
Now Les Mis is complete!
I'll get my coat... |
*squirt*
Excuse me while I go put some dry pants on.
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mezzo_soprano
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| Moci wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | mezzo_soprano wrote: | | Monsieur D'Arque wrote: | Old orchestrations or new, I still stand by my belief that the song should begin with those drums from "Be My Baby" (although you probably know them more from "Good Morning Baltimore").
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM... BUH-BOOM cheee...
BOOM...
On my own... |
Even better lets set the song to an upbeat peppy tune like from Good Morning Baltimore. Oh oh oh, and now I'm all alone again.
(To anyone who is offended by this I was just kidding. I do Like the song the way it is) |
What's wrong with Hairspray? |
Well it wouldn't exactly fit with Les Mis...
'Cause you cant stop
The notion of emotion,
Take an eye for an eye,
You can just sit there if you wanna
But we will make you cry,
And by the end, Javert will drown,
And we'll have all gone to die and hey!
Now Les Mis is complete!
I'll get my coat... |
Nothing is wrong with Hairspray and that song is awesome. Can I please use it for my sig? I'll give you credit.
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Fantine
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Hahahaha.
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Moci
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| mezzo_soprano wrote: |
Can I please use it for my sig? I'll give you credit. |
Sure, knock yourself out.
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ChorusKidx3
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Like this song so much! Its like third favourite. I sang it for an audition and changed all the hes and hims to hers and hims.
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Fantine
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Go easy on him people: 15.
Just a quick note, Choruskidx3, On My Own is generally not a good audition song.
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ChorusKidx3
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| Fantine wrote: | Go easy on him people: 15.
Just a quick note, Choruskidx3, On My Own is generally not a good audition song. |
well i got a lead role in the play lol.
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Moci
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| ChorusKidx3 wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | Go easy on him people: 15.
Just a quick note, Choruskidx3, On My Own is generally not a good audition song. |
well i got a lead role in the play lol. |
Why do you need to sing to be in a play?
Also, how on earth do you have 89 posts, when you only joined yesterday?
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ChorusKidx3
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| Moci wrote: | | ChorusKidx3 wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | Go easy on him people: 15.
Just a quick note, Choruskidx3, On My Own is generally not a good audition song. |
well i got a lead role in the play lol. |
Why do you need to sing to be in a play? |
an audition. and a voice and stage presence. lol
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Moci
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| ChorusKidx3 wrote: | | Moci wrote: | | ChorusKidx3 wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | Go easy on him people: 15.
Just a quick note, Choruskidx3, On My Own is generally not a good audition song. |
well i got a lead role in the play lol. |
Why do you need to sing to be in a play? |
an audition. and a voice and stage presence. lol |
Why do you need to show a voice to be in a play?
Also, how on earth do you have 90 posts, when you only joined yesterday?
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Fantine
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| Moci wrote: | | Also, how on earth do you have 90 posts, when you only joined yesterday? |
He has been doing some "games" in the Misc. 
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ChorusKidx3
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| Fantine wrote: | | Moci wrote: | | Also, how on earth do you have 90 posts, when you only joined yesterday? |
He has been doing some "games" in the Misc. |
also sweeney todd and stuff.
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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| Fantine wrote: | | Moci wrote: | | Also, how on earth do you have 90 posts, when you only joined yesterday? |
He has been doing some "games" in the Misc. |
Oooookay guys, let's back off a little. Perhaps wholeheartedly praising "On My Own" was not the best foot to start off on, but hey, the guy's entitled to his opinion.
Welcome, ChorusKidx3.
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ChorusKidx3
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | Moci wrote: | | Also, how on earth do you have 90 posts, when you only joined yesterday? |
He has been doing some "games" in the Misc. |
Oooookay guys, let's back off a little. Perhaps wholeheartedly praising "On My Own" was not the best foot to start off on, but hey, the guy's entitled to his opinion.
Welcome, ChorusKidx3. |
why thank you. lol.
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Moci
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| curlyhairedsoprano91 wrote: | | Fantine wrote: | | Moci wrote: | | Also, how on earth do you have 90 posts, when you only joined yesterday? |
He has been doing some "games" in the Misc. |
Oooookay guys, let's back off a little. |
But thats just not the M.net way.
And he cut Snoopy's nose off and Woodstock's head. Which is a bit cruel.
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lesmisloony
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ChorusKid, can you please stop punctuating every sentence with "lol"? I don't want to start judging you right away, but I have to point out that "lol" is not synonymous with "."
Um, yeah, this topic is almost begging for people like me to start snarking at newbie fans, and I apologise for succumbing to the temptation.
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ChorusKidx3
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| lesmisloony wrote: | ChorusKid, can you please stop punctuating every sentence with "lol"? I don't want to start judging you right away, but I have to point out that "lol" is not synonymous with "."
Um, yeah, this topic is almost begging for people like me to start snarking at newbie fans, and I apologise for succumbing to the temptation. |
oh sorry .lol. just kidding. . .
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lesmisloony
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Thanks very much.
And sure, welcome to the LM boards.
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mezzo_soprano
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Thanks for my new sig Moci!
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Fantine
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And I never used to be a bitch.
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lesmisloony
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Aw, I don't think you are one, Fantine...
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Colle
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Back to the question, when done well with emotion(though not overdramatic) "On My Own" is probably my favorite song in the show. What I like about the song is the imaginey, the enchanted world in Eponine's mind in contrast to how her life is really like.
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bigR
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I like the song too. But lesmisloony is right when she says that it can give the wrong idea that �ponine has a chance with marius.
Actually, I think that if they changed the "still i say there's a way for us" for something diferent (preferably with no eagles in it) the meaning of the song and ep's character would me much clearer.
About the way it should be performed. Well, I don't like it when it is tooooo whiny but I like it even less when it is too nicely done (kaho shimada voice is very nice and sweet but if you did not know anything about the show you would think that it is just a romantic song about a pretty girl in love and nothing else. she sings as if she was a cosette), and i don't like it either when she is too angry like lea salonga (i like much more lea's fantine than her �p.).
Usually I like my �ponines to be rough and sad and resigned (althought with a brighter spark when they talk to marius), but I absolutely loved celia keenan because her �ponine was so on the edge of crazy and so close to the book (she even manages to deliver the "there's a way for us" in a way that makes you feel that is just her crazy imagination.)
And for some reason I hate when the actress starts moving all across the stage. It destroys all the "solitude effect" for me.
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lesmisloony
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| Quote: | | I think that if they changed the "still i say there's a way for us" for something diferent (preferably with no eagles in it) |
| Quote: | | I absolutely loved celia keenan because her �ponine was so on the edge of crazy and so close to the book (she even manages to deliver the "there's a way for us" in a way that makes you feel that is just her crazy imagination.) |
Ooh, I haven't seen that one! I would actually have no problems with the song if I saw someone interpret it that way!
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Orestes Fasting
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I'm waiting for the production where Eponine has a nervous breakdown during On My Own. Almost a mad scene. It might not go over too well, given how popular and idealized the character is, but it's no less valid than good ol' Bubblegum Eponine.
And no, I don't think CKB's On My Own qualified. The rest of her Eponine, yes, but she didn't do enough with that song.
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EponineBarker
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | I'm waiting for the production where Eponine has a nervous breakdown during On My Own. Almost a mad scene. It might not go over too well, given how popular and idealized the character is, but it's no less valid than good ol' Bubblegum Eponine.
And no, I don't think CKB's On My Own qualified. The rest of her Eponine, yes, but she didn't do enough with that song. |
I would like to see that too. (The nervous breakdown thing.) I've tried experimenting with different ways to sing to song and have some sort of a breakdown, but I haven't found one I liked yet.
I also agree with CKB's On My Own, from what I had been hearing at the time about her Eponine, I thought she would be a little more crazy during that song. But I haven't seen her live, (Marissa McGowan was Eponine when I went) so I guess I can't fully say, huh?
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EponineMNFF
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I actually loved Celia's On My Own. I kind of liked how it was more understated than most; a lot of the time, actresses turn it into a giant BESTSONGEVEROMG showstopper. It was refreshing.
One thing I really liked about Celia's On My Own -- well her entire performance, I guess -- was how she sang. I don't mean the quality of her voice (which is fab), but the way she sang. It was almost like she was over articulating a little bit, but it was a really cool choice for the character. It was subtle enough not to annoy the people who already hate Eponine, but enough to set her apart.
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Moci
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I've posted this before, so this is just a copy and paste.
Anyway, I don't know if it'd really work, but I'd love to see a really bitter Eponine, who interprets 'On My Own' as a showstopper sung by a girl who's going mad, consumed with the idea of Marius, so when she gets to 'I love him, but only on my own', you reckon she is going to do something that will claim him as hers, no matter what it takes.
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EponineBarker
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| Moci wrote: | | Anyway, I don't know if it'd really work, but I'd love to see a really bitter Eponine, who interprets 'On My Own' as a showstopper sung by a girl who's going mad, consumed with the idea of Marius, so when she gets to 'I love him, but only on my own', you reckon she is going to do something that will claim him as hers, no matter what it takes. |
Ya know, now that I think about what you said about viewing the last line ('I love him, but only on my own') as her claiming Marius, no matter what it takes, really puts a different meaning to it...which (to me), opens up tons of possiblities on how someone can perform the song.
'Cause in the book, didn't Eponine, uhh..."convince" (I can't think of any other words right now ) Marius to go to the barricade so he would be away from Cosette?
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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I thought it was because she convinced him that Cosette didn't love him anymore. Maybe I'm totally wrong?
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lesmisloony
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Not totally wrong. Marius skips a night of giggling in the garden to go ask grandpa permission to marry, doesn't get said permission, and goes back to Cosette's the next night to find... it's empty. So he's sitting around pouting when a raspy-voiced "boy" shows up and tells him his friends are waiting for him in the Rue de la Chanvrerie. It's Eponine in drag, obviously, and she's decided that if she can't have him, nobody can, and they're gonna die together.
Did I get that right?
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EponineBarker
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| lesmisloony wrote: | Not totally wrong. Marius skips a night of giggling in the garden to go ask grandpa permission to marry, doesn't get said permission, and goes back to Cosette's the next night to find... it's empty. So he's sitting around pouting when a raspy-voiced "boy" shows up and tells him his friends are waiting for him in the Rue de la Chanvrerie. It's Eponine in drag, obviously, and she's decided that if she can't have him, nobody can, and they're gonna die together.
Did I get that right? |
Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. And the reason Cosette's gone is because Eponine wrote something on the wall telling her and Valjean to get out of there...am I right?
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lesmisloony
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Pretty much. "Remove" or "Get out" or "Clear out," depending on your translation. And he was just jumpy in general, so.
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EponineBarker
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Ah, I see...okay, thanks a lot for clearing that up! 
And Marius, seeing that Cosette is gone, is a lot more willing to go to the barricades, right?
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lesmisloony
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Ohhh yeah. Poor baby bordered on suicidal. Remember the "Get back or I'll blow up the barricade!" "And yourself as well?" "And myself as well!" scene?
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bigR
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And I should probably go to sleep and stop monopolizing the forum but I've just been watching CKB on my own and I still really like it. I'm probably influenced by the rest of her �ponine, and I agree that she dones down the "deranged" thing, but she really looks like if she were living inside her head and having wonderful visions she knows they are not true and the "way for us" seems faker than with other actresses.
Maybe it is because i actually think that OMO should be more dreamy than "deranged".
I can't remember properly the bit with �ponine talking about how she used to walk alone through paris, but I have the idea it was dreamy. But don't remember it very well, so I'm maybe wrong...
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Orestes Fasting
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| bigR wrote: | | I can't remember properly the bit with �ponine talking about how she used to walk alone through paris, but I have the idea it was dreamy. But don't remember it very well, so I'm maybe wrong... |
"I often go off in the evening. Sometimes I don't come home again. Last winter, before we came here, we lived under the arches of the bridges. We huddled together to keep from freezing. My little sister cried. How melancholy the water is! When I thought of drowning myself, I said to myself: `No, it's too cold.' I go out alone, whenever I choose, I sometimes sleep in the ditches. Do you know, at night, when I walk along the boulevard, I see the trees like forks, I see houses, all black and as big as Notre Dame, I fancy that the white walls are the river, I say to myself: `Why, there's water there!' The stars are like the lamps in illuminations, one would say that they smoked and that the wind blew them out, I am bewildered, as though horses were breathing in my ears; although it is night, I hear hand-organs and spinning-machines, and I don't know what all. I think people are flinging stones at me, I flee without knowing whither, everything whirls and whirls. You feel very queer when you have had no food."
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Jennifer Lynn
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As far as a more book-faithful Eponine goes...the Eponine in last summer's production at the Walnut Street Theater in Philadelphia had something desperate and unbalanced in her portrayal.
And even before that, in a production I saw, right after Eponine belted "that I have never KNOOOWWWN!!!" she stopped dead, bent over as if in pain, and half-gasped, "I love him, I love him, I love him, but only on my own," as if her own feelings had nearly driven her mad.
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