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Moci	Les Mis FAQ The Les Mis FAQ So what is the musical about? It�s based on the novel, �Les Mis�rables� by the French writer, Victor Hugo. Orestes Fasting wrote: In brief: Jean Valjean is a redeemed ex-convict being hunted by Inspector Javert, a rather black-and-white type who doesn't believe criminals can be redeemed. Other dramatis personae include Fantine, an unwed mother who loses her job over her illegitimate child and is eventually reduced to prostitution; Cosette, aforementioned illegitimate child, confided into the care of a pair of innkeepers who beat her and use her as a slave; the Th�nardiers, the innkeepers, both scoundrels; Marius, a young student who ends up falling in love with Cosette after she grows up; Eponine, the Th�nardiers' daughter, who has an unrequited crush on Marius; Gavroche, [a street urchin; Enjolras, a revolutionary leader; and assorted whores, beggars, townsfolk, students, etc. Setting is in assorted towns of post-revolutionary France after it had fallen back into another faceless regime. Starting with the song "Look Down," the end of Act I and the beginning of Act II take place in Paris after a ten-year time jump. For a more detailed synopsis, try the one on the official Les Mis website, or Wikipedia Where can I see �Les Mis�rables� on stage? At the moment, the original London production of �Les Mis� is playing at the Queens Theatre in the West End. See the official website for more details. There are also some regional productions in the US and Australia and the Schools Edition, which is pretty much everywhere. So 'Les Mis' isn't playing on Broadway? No, the Broadway revival closed on January 6th 2008. Which cast recording should I buy? There are four major English language recordings of �Les Mis� to choose from (the Original London Cast Recording [OLC], the Original Broadway Cast Recording [OBC], the Complete Symphonic Recording [CSR] and the Tenth Anniversary Concert [TAC]) and these are discussed in this thread. There are also many foreign language recordings, some of which are discussed here. Has �Les Mis�rables� been made into a film or the stage production released onto DVD? No and no. Many film and television adaptations of the original novel have been made, but none of them are the musical version. The original stage production hasn�t been filmed, but a concert version has been. This concert version was staged at the Royal Albert Hall, London in 1995 for the tenth anniversary of the West End premiere and has since been released onto video and DVD. Unfortunately, the Region 1 DVD seems to be out of print at the moment, but it is still available in Region 2 from www.amazon.co.uk, amongst other places and can be viewed by those outside Europe with a multi-region DVD player So how do I pronounce..? There�s a useful guide on the official �Les Mis� website which should help. My school is performing �Les Mis�rables: Schools Edition�, what cuts are made? It�s worth having a read of This thread where the cuts are displayed and discussed indepth, but slightly more briefly, this is what is missing from the complete score (some, but not all of these cuts are also in the professional version and have been performed in London and on Broadway, since 1997) - There are significant cuts in the Prologue (Valjean�s exchanges with the Innkeeper and his wife). - A section of �What Have I Done� (a.k.a. �Valjean�s Soliloquy�) is missing. - Part of �Lovely Ladies� is cut, including the part where Fantine sells her necklace. - The exchange between Fantine and Bamatabois after she has attacked him, but before Javert arrives is gone in �Fantine�s Arrest� - Valjean�s end note in �Who Am I� is lowered. - Part of the Chorus part in �The Runaway Cart� is missing, as are some of Valjean and Javert�s lines just before �Who Am I?�. - The counterpoint section of �The Confrontation� is gone. - The second verse of �Castle on a Cloud� has been removed, as have Young Cosette�s lines before the entrance of Madam Th�nardier. - The Drinker�s section before Th�nardier begins �Master of the House� has been cut. - The �Well Scene�, which was added in 1997 isn�t present. - The exchange between Valjean and the Th�nardiers before �The Waltz of Treachery� is gone, as are Valjean and Young Cosette�s lines after. - The Prostitues/Pimp part of �Look Down� is gone. - The first section of �Stars� has been cut, so it begins with �Stars, in your multitudes�. - Sections of �The ABC Cafe/Red and Black� are cut. - �The Attack on Rue Plumet� has been trimmed. - The students� (that aren�t Enjolras or Marius) parts have been cut in �Upon These Stones/At the Barricade�) - �Building the Barricade� is gone. - A section of �Javerts Arrival� has been removed. - The lines between Enjolras dealing with Javert after �Little People� and Eponine�s arrival at the barricade are cut. - Verses are gone from �A Little Fall of Rain�. - The students� (except Enjolras) lines after the �First Attack� are missing as are some of Javert�s lines as Valjean frees him. - �Dawn of Anguish� is cut. - Parts of �Dog Eat Dog� are cut and some is rearranged. - A section of �Turning� is gone. - Some lines of �Every Day� are cut. - �Wedding Chorale� is cut as is some of the exchange between Marius and Th�nardier at the wedding. - The �Prince/Jew/Queer� lines of �Beggars at the Feast� is gone. - Valjean�s solo is shortened in the Epilogue. I�m auditioning for... Can you recommend a song for me? If you want any specific information on a character, what songs they sing and so on, then somebody on this forum should be happy to help you, but if it�s help with a song choice, or a monologue that you need for your audition,there is a forum on Musicals.net which is dedicated to advising and helping with auditions and you�ll probably have far more luck posting there. Who is better as Eponine? Lea Salonga or Frances Ruffelle? Several topics have been discussed far too much on the forum and anyone initiating a debate on them is likely to have somebody jumping down their throat. Lea Salonga vs. Frances Ruffelle is one of these topics. Other subjects which should probably be avoided for the sake of peace and sanity are: - Dream Casts of �Les Mis�. - Anthony Warlow�s Enjolras vs Michael Maguire�s Enjolras. - Favourite recordings of �Les Mis.� - Casting a �Les Mis� Movie. - Cosette vs Eponine. - British accents in the show. - Favourite songs. However, if you are overcome by an overwhelming desire to post your own answers to the above question, we have a thread where your thoughts (serious, or not) on the subjects are welcome. Its also worth checking the forum to see if what you�re about to post has been discussed already. It�s easy to do this as Musicals.net has a search feature, found at the top of the page. Just type in what you�re looking for and select the �Les Miserables� forum. OMG!!!1! i am so lyke in lurve wiv dis guy bt he doesnt lurve me i am so lyke totally eponiine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good spelling and grammar really are appreciated on the board as they make sure that you can be understood. This doesn�t mean that you have to become stressed about having all of your semicolons in the right place, but capital letters, full stops, the ability to spell Enjolras and in fact, as few misspellings as possible make things easier for all. Hopefully this might relieve some of the repeat topics that have been happening. If anyone wants to add anything, or notices some inaccuracies that need changing, feel free. Updated 13/2/08 to mention the closing of the Broadway revival. Updated 18/3/09 to change info about upcoming/open productions.
herkind	Wow. It was nice of you to type all of this up. *gives cookie* This should really be a sticky...
Sweeney Hyde	I agree! This would make an excellent sticky!
Orestes Fasting	Great work. Thanks for taking the time to compile this.
The Very Angry Woman	More useful links: http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/lesmis/ http://www.josef-weinberger.com/weinberger/lesmizframes.html http://lesmis.cafemusain.com/faq.html (outdated but fun)
luckystar_30	Thanks, thats pretty helpful. I just bought tickets for the broadway revival for mid December. I've never seen it and don't know much about the show. I know the basic story line and have heard the cast recording a few times, but, other than that, thats it.
EponinesRain	Wow, how long did this take you? Thank you so much for doing this, Moci. I'm very impressed and will be referring to this often. Awesome job. Thank you to our very own linking-whore, TVAW, for the supplements, too! You know I mean that in the good sense!
Fantine	We've tried stickying this before if I recall correctly...
LesMisForever	Yes, Moci put up even a better one in the past. Now, i think this has some very useful stuff, but there is something i categorically disagree with. The issue of frequently discussed topics. While Moci is right in giving a warning, i think people who start a topic that has been discussed shouldn't be attcked, because it is against the very core, and spirit of this forum. Just try and put yourself in their shoes. Try and remember when YOU first saw Les Miserables and were desperate to talk about it. Why denying other people something that you enjoyed? This is very unfair. If there are enough people who want to discuss who was the better Eponine/Enjolras, i say good luck to them. I probably won't join, but let them enjoy the ride. And so what if some teenage girl thinks she is like Eponine? Giving her the same answer that "You are not living in the street blah blah blah" is becoming just as boring as the statment itself. If you don't like the topic, leave it alone. At the end of the day, the purpose of this place is to talk about Les Miserables, and it seems absurd to me to attack people for doing that.
The Very Angry Woman	LesMisForever wrote: While Moci is right in giving a warning, i think people who start a topic that has been discussed shouldn't be attcked, because it is against the very core, and spirit of this forum. Well, yeah. But again, Moci's FAQ is not advocating attacking anybody. However, it is WARNING the newbies that this may happen to them. There's a big difference. I also think there should be some expectation that a newbie at least takes some time to check what's been discussed before starting one themselves, and if they don't it's a free-for-all -- or maybe I should lower my standards. Quote: Try and remember when YOU first saw Les Miserables and were desperate to talk about it. It was 1995 and I didn't have regular internet access. I have no sympathy.
Jordan	The Very Angry Woman wrote: Quote: Try and remember when YOU first saw Les Miserables and were desperate to talk about it. It was 1995 and I didn't have regular internet access. I have no sympathy. Ouch. Bandaid please?
LesMisForever	The Very Angry Woman wrote: LesMisForever wrote: While Moci is right in giving a warning, i think people who start a topic that has been discussed shouldn't be attcked, because it is against the very core, and spirit of this forum. Well, yeah. But again, Moci's FAQ is not advocating attacking anybody. However, it is WARNING the newbies that this may happen to them. There's a big difference. I also think there should be some expectation that a newbie at least takes some time to check what's been discussed before starting one themselves, and if they don't it's a free-for-all -- or maybe I should lower my standards. Quote: Try and remember when YOU first saw Les Miserables and were desperate to talk about it. It was 1995 and I didn't have regular internet access. I have no sympathy. Regarding the 1st point, i WASN't criticizing Moci, and i am sorry if it came across that way. I just thought it is a good opportunity to express my opinion about certain phenomen. I respect your opinion, and it has some validity, but ultimately i beg to disagree. Second point: hahahaha (....and you are still angry about it? )
Quique	LesMisForever wrote: Yes, Moci put up even a better one in the past. Now, i think this has some very useful stuff, but there is something i categorically disagree with. The issue of frequently discussed topics. While Moci is right in giving a warning, i think people who start a topic that has been discussed shouldn't be attcked, because it is against the very core, and spirit of this forum. Just try and put yourself in their shoes. Try and remember when YOU first saw Les Miserables and were desperate to talk about it. Why denying other people something that you enjoyed? This is very unfair. If there are enough people who want to discuss who was the better Eponine/Enjolras, i say good luck to them. I probably won't join, but let them enjoy the ride. And so what if some teenage girl thinks she is like Eponine? Giving her the same answer that "You are not living in the street blah blah blah" is becoming just as boring as the statment itself. If you don't like the topic, leave it alone. At the end of the day, the purpose of this place is to talk about Les Miserables, and it seems absurd to me to attack people for doing that. Wholeheartedly agree with every point you made.
Moci	LesMisForever wrote: Yes, Moci put up even a better one in the past. Yes, I rather stupidly seem to have misplaced the disc that I'd saved it on and it was deleted from the forum when it was pruned. I tried to include everything that I could remember being important, although some things were now pretty unnecessary (I seem to remember that a chunk of it helped with dates for the 3NT and that there was a question asking "Is 'Les Mis' going to be back on Broadway soon?", to which I'd replied saying that it was unlikely and give it ten years or so!). LesMisForever wrote: While Moci is right in giving a warning, i think people who start a topic that has been discussed shouldn't be attcked, because it is against the very core, and spirit of this forum. Just try and put yourself in their shoes. Try and remember when YOU first saw Les Miserables and were desperate to talk about it. Why denying other people something that you enjoyed? This is very unfair. If there are enough people who want to discuss who was the better Eponine/Enjolras, i say good luck to them. I probably won't join, but let them enjoy the ride. And so what if some teenage girl thinks she is like Eponine? Giving her the same answer that "You are not living in the street blah blah blah" is becoming just as boring as the statment itself. If you don't like the topic, leave it alone. At the end of the day, the purpose of this place is to talk about Les Miserables, and it seems absurd to me to attack people for doing that. I have to admit, the repeating of topics is one of the reasons why I re-wrote the FAQ. You are right that it's not particularly correct to yell at people for starting a topic and I wouldn't set out to condone it, but it happens and is going to continue happening and avoiding these areas of confrontation by not starting the topics in the first place, to me seems like a fair solution. I completely agree with your statement of "If you don't like the topic, leave it alone", but thinking back to when I was 13 or so and first started posting on messageboards, at first one of the things that I was most interested in was other people's responses to threads which I'd started. Whilst I would never presume that anybody else was the same as I was, I always think that it's nice and welcoming to post on a thread that a 'newbie' starts, yet I have absolutely no intention of posting my thoughts on my favourite song in 'Les Mis' for the considerable future. The topics mentioned above though are naturally ones which people understandably want to post their thoughts on when first entering the fandom, which is why in the FAQ I've included a link to the 'Dead Horse' thread. Although it was probably started by OF as a place for taking the mickey out of the oft-posted questions, it does seem to me to be as good a place as any for people to post their thoughts, without expecting too many responses, as you might to a nice, shiny new thread. That was, we can all hopefully ignore it better contained in one thread, whilst still having the ability for those who we are welcoming to the forum to post their thoughts and if any particularly interesting ideas are brought up, then they can be replied to. For example, if anybody posted that their favourite song was 'Turning' or that Hal Fowler in 'Hey Mr. Producer' was a considerably better Enjolras than Warlow and Maguire put together, I'd be most interested in discussing it with them and finding out why and would be perfectly happy to return to a thread that I'd normally not reply to. I don't know if anyone will consider this a satisfactory response, but I felt that I should try to justify my reasoning for placing what I did into the FAQ.
soph-les-mis	OK sorry, I know I'm not part of your discussion, but I just read Les Mis FAQ and wondered something about the show I thought maybe you "veterans" can answere.. What cast was actually part of the Tenth Anniversary Concert, where did they sing ten years ago? I started to wonder, because when I saw the show at the Queen's two weeks ago (this very evening ) i got this big brochure that had a list of the persons who were part of the Original Cast, 21st Anniversary etc, but only a few of those in the 10th Ann. Concert stood there...? Like Philip Quast for example, in what show has he been Javert before? I'm confused!
Moci	soph-les-mis wrote: OK sorry, I know I'm not part of your discussion, but I just read Les Mis FAQ and wondered something about the show and thought maybe you "veterans" can answere.. No need to be sorry and feel welcome to join in any discussions that you'd like to. soph-les-mis wrote: What cast was actually part of the Tenth Anniversary Concert, where did they sing ten years ago? I started to wonder, because when I saw the show at the Queen's two weeks ago (this very evening ) i got this big brochure that had a list of the persons who were part of the Original Cast, 21st Anniversary etc, but only a few of those in the 10th Ann. Concert stood there...? Like Philip Quast for example, in what show has he been Javert before? Here's a list of the TAC cast and where they'd been in Les Mis before, to the best of my knowledge: Valjean: Colm Wilkinson London- 1985 - 1986 Broadway 1987 - 1988 Toronto 1998 - 1999 UK Tour (Dublin) 1999 Third National Tour (San Francisco and Shanghi, China) 2002 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Hey Mr Producer! Segment 1998 Javert: Philip Quast Sydney, Australia 1987 London 1989 Adelaide, Australia 1991 Brisbane, Australia 1991 Auckland, New Zealand 1991 UK Tour (Manchester) 1992 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Hey Mr Producer! Segment 1998 Fantine: Ruthie Henshall London 1992 London 1996 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Chelmsford Concert 1997 Hey Mr Producer! Segment 1998 Th�nardier: Alun Armstrong London 1985-1986 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Mme Th�nardier: Jenny Galloway London 1993/4 Broadway 2006/7 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 Marius: Michael Ball London 1985 - 1986 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Hey Mr Producer! Segment 1998 (Jean Valjean at Windsor Castle Concert 2004) Eponine:Lea Salonga Broadway 1993 London 1996 Third National Tour (Honolulu) 1996 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Hey Mr Producer! Segment 1998 (Fantine on Broadway 2007) Cosette:Judy Kuhn Broadway 1987-8 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Enjolras: Michael Maguire Broadway 1987-8 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Grantaire: Anthony Crivello Broadway 1987-8 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 (Javert on Broadway 1987/8-ish) Little Cosette: Hannah Chick London 1993/4 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Gavroche: Adam Searles London 1994 Tenth Anniversary Concert 1995 Chelmsford Concert 1997 UK Tour (Plymouth) 1997 Convict: Craig Pinder (Courfeyrac) London 1985-6 (Valjean) London 1988 Convict: Mark McKerracher (Valjean) Broadway 1992 - 1993 London 1993 UK Tour (Edinburgh) ? First National Tour ? Convict: James Staddon (Comberferre) London 1992 (Javert) London 1993 - 1995 Convict: Phil Cavill (Valjean) London 1994 - 1996 London 2006 UK Tour (Edinburgh) 1998 Convict: Jeff Leyton (Valjean) UK Tour (Manchester & Edinburgh)- 1992/3 London 1995 London 1997 UK Tour (Bristol)- 1998 UK Tour (Manchester) 2000 Chelmsford Concert 1997 Belfast Concert 2001 London 2003/4 Farmer: Halcro Johnston (Brujon) London 1989-90 Labourer/Jean Prouvaire: Peter Polycarpou (Jean Prouvaire) London 1985 - 1986 (Grantaire) London 1986 (Th�nardier) 1992 - 1993 Bishop: Paul Monaghan: (Bishop/Lesgles) London 1992/3 (Bishop/Combeferre) UK Tour 2000 London 2000 -2002 Constable: Jonathan Hart (Jean Prouvaire) London 1995 (Grantaire) Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 Constable: Glyn Kerslake (Swing) London 1988 Enjolras 1996-8 Factory Foreman: Michael McCarthy (Factory Foreman/Combeferre) London 1990-91 (Javert) UK Tour (Manchester & Edinburgh) 1992/3 London 1995-7 Sydney/Melbourne, Australia 1997/8 London 2001/2 Third National Tour (San Francisco & Shanghai, China) 2002 Broadway 2003 London 2003-2005 Chelmsford Concert 1997 Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 Windsor Castle Concert 2004 Worker: Nigel Richards (Factory Foreman/Combeferre) London 1992 (Grantaire) London 1993 Worker: Christopher Beck (Joly) London 1985-6 Worker: Gary Huddleston (Feuilly) London 1985 � 1987 Worker: Catherine Breeze (Ensemble) London 1992/3 (Mme Th�nardier) UK Tour 1997-9 Worker: Rachel Spry (Ensemble) UK Tour 1992 Chelmsford Concert 1997 London 2001 Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 Windsor Castle Concert 2004 Worker: Sally Bourne (Swing) London 1995/6 (Ensemble) Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 Worker: Sally Mates (Ensemble) London 1985/6 Factory Girl: Jackie Marks (Factory Girl) London 1985 (Fantine) London 1985/6 Sailor: Shaun Kerrison (Swing) London 1992/3 (Feuilly) London 1993/4 Sailor: Graham Gill (Joly) London 1986-8 Sailor: James Powell (Joly) London 1993-6 Crone: Beverly Klein (Crone) London 1985/6 Whore: Juliet Alderice (Swing) London 1986/7 Whore: Rosemary Ashe (Mme Th�nardier) London 1992/3 London 2002/3 Exeter & Romsey Concerts 2004 Whore: Valda Aviks (Ensemble) London 1990-2 (Crone) Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 Whore: Mary Louise Clarke (Cosette) London 1988 Whore: Lindsey Danvers (Swing) London 1992 (Fantine) London 1993-5 UK Tour (Bristol and Manchester) 1999-2000 Whore: Sarah Jane Hassell (Cosette) London 1990-2 Whore: Liza Hayden (Ensemble, u/s Gavroche) London 1985- 87 Whore: Lisa Hull (Cosette) London 1989/90 London 1996 Whore: Alison Jiear (Ensemble) London 1993 Whore: Aline Mowat (Ensemble) 1985-7 Whore: Jayne O�Mahoney (Little Cosette) London 1985-6 (Ensemble) London 1995 London 1997 UK Tour 1999/2000 Whore: Fiona Sinnott (Cosette) UK Tour 1992/3 Whore: Gemma Wardle (Ensemble) UK Tour 1992/3 (Eponine) London 1993-5 London 1997/8 UK Tour London 2004/5 Whore: Helene Witcombe (Ensemble) UK Tour 1992/3 Pimp: Andy Reiss (Combeferre) UK Tour 1992/3 London 1994 Bamatabois: Gareth Snook (Grantaire/Bamatabois) London 1988 Old Prostitute: Jill Martin (Ensemble) London 1985-6 Madeleine: Jacinta Whyte (Ensemble) London 1989 (Eponine) UK Tour 1993 London 1995 Combeferre: David Bardsley (Combeferre) London 1994 (Grantaire) London 1994 (Enjolras) London 1995/6 UK Tour (Dublin) 1999 Chelmsford Concert 1997 Exeter & Romsey Concerts 2004 Feuilly: Matthew Cammelle (Jean Prouvaire) London 1993/4 (Feuilly) London 1994/5 (Marius) London 1995/6 Chelmsford Concert 1997 (Enjolras- alternate for the nights when Glyn Kerslake was in �Martin Guerre�) London 1997/8 (Enjolras) London 1998 Sweden/Norway/Denmark Concerts 2002 (Ensemble) Windsor Castle Concert 2004 Courfeyrac: J�r�me Pradon (Marius) Paris 1991 (Javert) London 2002 Joly: Darryl Knock (Marius) London 1992 Lesgles: Mike Sterling (Feuilly) London 1991/2 (Marius) UK Tour (Manchester) 1992 (Valjean) London 2002 (Combeferre) Chelmsford Concert 1997 Montparnasse: Keith Burns (Montparnasse) London 1985-6 (Enjolras) London 1992/3 Claquesous: Stephen Matthews (Babet) London 1993/4 London 1999 - 2000 Babet: Tony Timberlake (Jean Prouvaire) London 1990/1 (Th�nardier) UK Tour (Manchester) 1992 London 2001 Bournemouth Concert 2002 Exeter & Romsey Concerts 2004 Brujon: Nick Holder (Brujon) London 1988 (Th�nardier) London 1997/8 Loudhailer: Christopher Howard (Enjolras) London 1988/90 Stage By Stage: Les Mis�rables
Fantine	Thank you Moci, that was very interesting. I always noticed that on the TAC there is a young girl (well, young woman) singing along with Turning. Is that the woman who had been understudying Gavroche?
Moci	Fantine wrote: Thank you Moci, that was very interesting. I always noticed that on the TAC there is a young girl (well, young woman) singing along with Turning. Is that the woman who had been understudying Gavroche? The standby for Gavroche was male- Ben Evans- he's one of the Gavroches at the end. He's in the West End production of LOTR now.. Lucy Evans was a standby for Cosette, who seemed to have played the role 1995/6-ish, so I'd presume that she was a current little Cosette at the time. This is her website, so you can see what she looks like now. I've no idea if she was in the ensemble, sorry.
Fantine	Moci wrote: Fantine wrote: Thank you Moci, that was very interesting. I always noticed that on the TAC there is a young girl (well, young woman) singing along with Turning. Is that the woman who had been understudying Gavroche? The standby for Gavroche was male- Ben Evans- he's one of the Gavroches at the end. He's in the West End production of LOTR now.. Lucy Evans was a standby for Cosette, who seemed to have played the role 1995/6-ish, so I'd presume that she was a current little Cosette at the time. This is her website, so you can see what she looks like now. I've no idea if she was in the ensemble, sorry. She wasn't that young, lol. I think that she must have been around 17 years old at the time (well, she looked that age to me). She is singing in 'Turning.' Still, I found that pretty young to be in such a concert.
Moci	Fantine wrote: Moci wrote: Fantine wrote: Thank you Moci, that was very interesting. I always noticed that on the TAC there is a young girl (well, young woman) singing along with Turning. Is that the woman who had been understudying Gavroche? The standby for Gavroche was male- Ben Evans- he's one of the Gavroches at the end. He's in the West End production of LOTR now.. Lucy Evans was a standby for Cosette, who seemed to have played the role 1995/6-ish, so I'd presume that she was a current little Cosette at the time. This is her website, so you can see what she looks like now. I've no idea if she was in the ensemble, sorry. She wasn't that young, lol. I think that she must have been around 17 years old at the time (well, she looked that age to me). She is singing in 'Turning.' Still, I found that pretty young to be in such a concert. There's no way that she was 17. I remember her on CBBC in Microsoap and she was about 12 or 13 then, in 1998.
soph-les-mis	Wow:D I'm not going to quote all you wrote to my answere, Moci, but thanks, that was brilliant!! When I get obsessed with something (mostly musicals) I always look for the details...So this suited me perfect! ((Like when I was going to tell my family the story of the show, (who saw Les Mis with me two weeks ago) they got really annoyed and told me to get to the point, I was constantly going into the details... but hey, they asked for it! ))
Fantine	Moci wrote: Fantine wrote: Moci wrote: Fantine wrote: Thank you Moci, that was very interesting. I always noticed that on the TAC there is a young girl (well, young woman) singing along with Turning. Is that the woman who had been understudying Gavroche? The standby for Gavroche was male- Ben Evans- he's one of the Gavroches at the end. He's in the West End production of LOTR now.. Lucy Evans was a standby for Cosette, who seemed to have played the role 1995/6-ish, so I'd presume that she was a current little Cosette at the time. This is her website, so you can see what she looks like now. I've no idea if she was in the ensemble, sorry. She wasn't that young, lol. I think that she must have been around 17 years old at the time (well, she looked that age to me). She is singing in 'Turning.' Still, I found that pretty young to be in such a concert. There's no way that she was 17. I remember her on CBBC in Microsoap and she was about 12 or 13 then, in 1998. No what I mean is that is must be another person. Not the little Cosette.
Moci	Fantine wrote: Moci wrote: Fantine wrote: Moci wrote: Fantine wrote: Thank you Moci, that was very interesting. I always noticed that on the TAC there is a young girl (well, young woman) singing along with Turning. Is that the woman who had been understudying Gavroche? The standby for Gavroche was male- Ben Evans- he's one of the Gavroches at the end. He's in the West End production of LOTR now.. Lucy Evans was a standby for Cosette, who seemed to have played the role 1995/6-ish, so I'd presume that she was a current little Cosette at the time. This is her website, so you can see what she looks like now. I've no idea if she was in the ensemble, sorry. She wasn't that young, lol. I think that she must have been around 17 years old at the time (well, she looked that age to me). She is singing in 'Turning.' Still, I found that pretty young to be in such a concert. There's no way that she was 17. I remember her on CBBC in Microsoap and she was about 12 or 13 then, in 1998. No what I mean is that is must be another person. Not the little Cosette. Ah, I get you.
Elin	Hey Moci, you forgot the choir/chorus! Liza Hayden didn't understudy Gavroche, she played the role regularly. (At one time, 2 out of 3 London Gavroches were female. The line-up was LH, Zoe Hart and Ian Tucker.) Jayne O�Mahony understudied Cosette (and went on at least once) when she returned to the show.
LesMisForever	Moci...I know it is late, but your answer to me made perfect sense, and more, or less i agree with you
Fantine	It's been stickied! (is that a word? - rhetorical question). I'll try to take a screen shot of the girl I'm talking about. (some day at least).
lesmisboy	I have a quick question - when was Denise van Outen in Les Mis in London and who did she play? And Moci thanks for taking the time to post the list of TAC performers
The Very Angry Woman	lesmisboy wrote: I have a quick question - when was Denise van Outen in Les Mis in London and who did she play? And Moci thanks for taking the time to post the list of TAC performers She was Young Eponine, so obviously it was quite some time ago.
Moci	The Very Angry Woman wrote: lesmisboy wrote: I have a quick question - when was Denise van Outen in Les Mis in London and who did she play? And Moci thanks for taking the time to post the list of TAC performers She was Young Eponine, so obviously it was quite some time ago. I've read that she was 11 and Google tells me that she was born in 1974, so that makes it 1985/6, so she must have been a fairly early replacement for the role at the Palace.
soph-les-mis	I have another question.. Is there any recording of Les Mis with JOJ as Jean Valjean? I know he is in the choir in the TAC and that he recently has given out a CD, but apart from that?
flying_pigs	soph-les-mis wrote: I have another question.. Is there any recording of Les Mis with JOJ as Jean Valjean? I know he is in the choir in the TAC and that he recently has given out a CD, but apart from that? There isn't an official recording with him, but there was a concert version on BBC Radio 2 last year for the 21st Anniversary.
Orestes Fasting	Replying belatedly regarding the Dead Horse thread: Quote: Although it was probably started by OF as a place for taking the mickey out of the oft-posted questions, it does seem to me to be as good a place as any for people to post their thoughts, without expecting too many responses, as you might to a nice, shiny new thread. Well... when I started it, I was half-considering posting serious responses. Then I figured it was a place for everyone to vent their feelings concerning the various dead horses, and my feelings at the moment were mostly sarcastic exasperation. So yeah, feel free to use it to get your real thoughts on Cosette vs. Eponine out of your system.
Catherine	Wow, this thread is really useful! Thanks! I didn't realise Confrontation was cut for the school edition... thats just cruel! Ahh, never mind.
Quique	Grrrrrr. Growl, Grrrr. F*ck. Grrrrowl.
Orestes Fasting	Quique wrote: Grrrrrr. Growl, Grrrr. F*ck. Grrrrowl. What?
curlyhairedsoprano91	Orestes Fasting wrote: Quique wrote: Grrrrrr. Growl, Grrrr. F*ck. Grrrrowl. What? Yeah, really.
Quique	What? Is there a problem?
Orestes Fasting	*blink* What prompted that?
Quique	It's called posting, then responding in the wrong thread @ 4 a.m.--I thought this was the one about the orchestrations.
EponineMNFF	That was so confusing.
Futuretonywinner	So what are the school lyrics for A Little Fall of Rain?
Fantine	Futuretonywinner wrote: So what are the school lyrics for A Little Fall of Rain? I believe they are the same.
EponineMNFF	I'm not sure--a SE I saw cut the "The rain that brings you here is heaven blessed..." stanza. On second thought, it was probably just that one production.
The Very Angry Woman	EponineMNFF wrote: I'm not sure--in a SE I saw cut the "The rain that brings you here is heaven blessed..." stanza. On second thought, it was probably just that one production. They did that in one I saw. The other (which had illegally done a lot more modifications anyway) added it back.
Moci	I've put the cuts in italics. EPONINE Don't you fret, M'sieur Marius I don't feel any pain A little fall of rain Can hardly hurt me now You're here, that's all I need to know And you will keep me safe And you will keep me close And rain will make the flowers grow. MARIUS But you will live, 'Ponine - dear God above, If I could heal your wounds with words of love. EPONINE Just hold me now, and let it be. Shelter me, comfort me MARIUS You would live a hundred years If I could show you how I won't desert you now... EPONINE The rain can't hurt me now This rain will wash away what's past And you will keep me safe And you will keep me close I'll sleep in your embrace at last. The rain that brings you here Is Heaven-blessed! The skies begin to clear And I'm at rest A breath away from where you are I've come home from so far So don't you fret, M'sieur Marius I don't feel any pain A little fall of rain Can hardly hurt me now That's all I need to know And you will keep me safe And you will keep me close MARIUS(in counterpoint) Hush-a-bye, dear Eponine, You won't feel any pain A little fall of rain Can hardly hurt you now I'm here I will stay with you Till you are sleeping EPONINE And rain... MARIUS And rain... EPONINE Will make the flowers... MARIUS Will make the flowers... grow...
Orestes Fasting	I think it's time to have the Thread Necromancy Talk. In general, the seach function is a wondrous and awe-inspiring thing that can keep you from asking the same question ten other people have already spammed the forum with, among many other useful things. However, the threads that the search function usually turns up are dead and buried by forum standards, and people can get a little tetchy when you blithely drag them out of their peaceful rest just to say "I agree with Joe" or "i luv eponine, cossette r teh suxx0rz!" Now, there is a time and place for thread necromancy. If you read through a topic and think it's interesting, and you have something new and different to say that would justify dragging the thread up from the dead, by all means go ahead. Just be aware that this is the conversational equivalent of resuming the heated South Park vs. Family Guy debate you and your friends were having an hour ago, even though you've spent the past twenty minutes talking about cars. Make sure it's worth it, and at least acknowledge what you're doing: "I know nobody's posted to this thread for six months, but..." Also, if the contents of the thread are better suited for the Dead Horse Thread (and you can find a partial list of such topics on the first FAQ post), do us all a favor and just let it lie. If you absolutely must regale us with your thoughts on Lea vs. Frances, that's what the dead horse thread is for.
SomeoneLikeYou	What I don't understand is why some fans hate Cosette. Look, I KNOW that ya'll wanted Marius to choose Eponine, but that's no reason to despise Cosette. She has beautiful songs and is a very sweet girl, and deserves Marius just as much as Eponine.
curlyhairedsoprano91	Dear SomeoneLikeYou: On this forum, you're not going to see much Cosette-bashing. I came here and I was absolutely delighted to find that someone like myself, who absolutely adored Cosette, was not going to be met with the typical "Ew NO EPONINE'S SO MUCH BETTER AND MARIUS IS STUPID FOR MARRYING COSETTE." I guess some people hate her because isn't everyone OMG just like Eponine in the sense that they've liked someone who didn't like them back? And so they identify with Eponine and think of Cosette as someone who just sits around and gets the guy. What these people don't take into account is the fact that class differences would have made it almost impossible for an Eponine/Marius pairing to work (regardless of the fact that Marius didn't have feelings for Eponine). They also don't take into account the fact that Eponine was not a Lea-Salonga-pretty "hot girl in rags" (as I've, sadly, actually seen her described). Every anti-Cosette rant I've heard types her as a boring, emotionless, pretty bitch. These people also obviously don't listen to the lyrics of "In My Life." I consider that song to be way more emotionally revealing than pop-anthem "On My Own." Meh. I've never understood Eppie-boppers. Or Cosette-haters of any stripe. But that's just me.
mastachen	SomeoneLikeYou wrote: Look, I KNOW that ya'll wanted Marius to choose Eponine, but that's no reason to despise Cosette. She has beautiful songs and is a very sweet girl, and deserves Marius just as much as Eponine. Nobody on here really things that Eponine deserves Marius. Really, between this thread and that other thread in the Social Forum, it really seems like you don't have a feel for the opinions of the members of this board. And so to go on assuming that our opinions usually match those of the uninformed general theater fans of youtube and broadwaysecrets is just wrong.. and slightly annoying.
SomeoneLikeYou	I'm sorry. I didn't mean that at all. I don't assume that everyone shares those opinions, I was just stating that some people do. And I do respect everyone's own opinion, I just feel very strongly about my own. Again, I'm sorry if I came off that way.
EponineMNFF	I mean, that's understandable. Before I came here, all of the Les Mis communities were like that, so hey.
mastachen	To anyone's knowledge, has any of the cuts in the SE been restored?
SomeoneLikeYou	Not that I know of. Basically all that's cut is lyrics from about a quarter of the songs...but I haven't heard of any restorations.
The Very Angry Woman	mastachen wrote: To anyone's knowledge, has any of the cuts in the SE been restored? Schools do that illegally all the time.
music is my life!!!	speaking of which, in the finale is it mandatory that fantine sings "and you will be with God" up the octave, or do some school Fantine's sing it down the octave like they do in Professional productions? I'm auditioning for Fantine in May, and can reach that low note most of the time....
curlyhairedsoprano91	I can't imagine that it's mandatory. Shows change keys and put things down/up octaves all the time. If your show had a low mezzo/alto Fantine who wanted to show off the low D, I don't see why taking one line down an octave would be a problem.
music is my life!!!	^ That's good! I can reach it most of the time, but it just seems that most school fantine's i've seen do it up the octave... maybe they're scared, or maybe it's the MD that's scared...
SomeoneLikeYou	HEY YOU GUYS!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyBMFu2vDA&feature=channel Fast-foward to 9:08!
Eponine23	SomeoneLikeYou wrote: What I don't understand is why some fans hate Cosette. Look, I KNOW that ya'll wanted Marius to choose Eponine, but that's no reason to despise Cosette. She has beautiful songs and is a very sweet girl, and deserves Marius just as much as Eponine. I don't understand that or why some people just plain hate Eponine. I personally love both characters and wish Cosette had more screen time in the musical, because I absolutely loved her, although I love Eponine, too. It seems like here on the internet, it's been just one or the other, but in real life, everyone I've talked to likes both characters.
music is my life!!!	SomeoneLikeYou wrote: HEY YOU GUYS!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyBMFu2vDA&feature=channel Fast-foward to 9:08! omfg that is so funny! i want that tshirt!
Artemis Entreri	SE cuts are really annoying. I shudder when there's a cut in a normal performane, but SE is butchery. Thank God most school don't care and restore them. I mean WTF. Cutting the counterpoint part of Confrontation? CM is insane.
music is my life!!!	^ but surely the fact that he's produced some fanatabulous shows makes up for it ...
Amber.Rain	Hi... I'm new here. *waves* So on the topic of the SE... we're doing Les Mis at my middle school. Yep, Les Mis, at a middle school. I've always loved Les Mis so I'm totally thrilled- but we had to make a LOT of cuts. We took out the prostitution part, parts with a lot of swearing and stuff like that. The point is, yeah, cuts suck and kind of butcher some songs, but hey! I'd pick an edited Les Mis over Annie (last year's play) a thousand times over! Ha ha. Oh, and I'm playing Cosette, and Cosette-haters really annoy me. She's not... bad or anything. I mean, yeah, she's kind of two dimmensional and all but it's only a two hour long play and she's not even the main-main character. So I love her and I love playing her.
Catherine	Oh God.. Please tell me you're not going to do "Lovely People"
Moci	Catherine wrote: Oh God.. Please tell me you're not going to do "Lovely People" What made me laugh when I saw that on youtube was that they'd called it 'Lovely People' and changed the setting to a marketplace, but had kept quite a few of the dodgy lyrics, so you had people selling fruit and cloth and whatever 'standing up or lying down or any way at all', with 'bargain prices up against the wall'. It's nice to know though that people were allowed to wear their shoes when buying cloth. It's as if the director had noticed the really obvious stuff, but was far too clean minded to spot the rest of the innuendo.
High-baritonne	Why change such important parts of the plot? It is so paranoid! Fantine is supposed to end up as a prostitute, what are you planning to make her? A fabric seller? Americans and their paranoia.
Amber.Rain	Haha...Lovely People. I saw that and it was pathetic. No, we cut the whole thing out. No Lovely Ladies at all. (wouldn't it be lovely to see 11 year old sixth graders being prostitutes?) We just have Fantine getting fired and my director figured that that was good enough for her to become... well... even worse. It takes a lot of Fantine's story out, but it does make sense.
High-baritonne	Like I always say, if you can't do it properly, don' do it! 11 year olds doesn't belong involved in a serious story like Les Mis�rables!
Amber.Rain	...That's your opinion. The story still makes sense. Les Mis is a wonderful story and I don't see how cutting out one thing makes it any less "proper."
jackrussell	*dons prude hat* Stories involving prostitutes generally aren't suitable for kids. And rather than merely do the story without the adult bits, which means you actively have to discourage the kids from doing research into the original novel or musical, surely it's better to wait until they're a bit older and do it in full.
The Very Angry Woman	High-baritonne wrote: Like I always say, if you can't do it properly, don' do it! 11 year olds doesn't belong involved in a serious story like Les Mis�rables! Yeah, I'd apply the same logic to a HS that's 99% white doing Ragtime. Just think about it.
lesmisloony	Quote: Americans and their paranoia. I'm sorry, what?
Moci	Amber.Rain wrote: Haha...Lovely People. I saw that and it was pathetic. No, we cut the whole thing out. No Lovely Ladies at all. (wouldn't it be lovely to see 11 year old sixth graders being prostitutes?) We just have Fantine getting fired and my director figured that that was good enough for her to become... well... even worse. It takes a lot of Fantine's story out, but it does make sense. I find it highly ironic that you're supporting the cutting of Lovely Ladies for being inappropriate, but your username is Amber Rain. If you google it, I wouldn't click on the links. Probably very inappropriate.
MariekeLovesEnjolras	Moci wrote: Amber.Rain wrote: Haha...Lovely People. I saw that and it was pathetic. No, we cut the whole thing out. No Lovely Ladies at all. (wouldn't it be lovely to see 11 year old sixth graders being prostitutes?) We just have Fantine getting fired and my director figured that that was good enough for her to become... well... even worse. It takes a lot of Fantine's story out, but it does make sense. I find it highly ironic that you're supporting the cutting of Lovely Ladies for being inappropriate, but your username is Amber Rain. If you google it, I wouldn't click on the links. Probably very inappropriate. Tsk tsk, Moci, how do you know that so well? (don't worry, that was a joke )
Amber.Rain	*blushes* haha...I've never googled it before... totally not on purpose. wow, I'm embarassed. And I'm not supporting it or anything...I personally think it would be fun to play a prostitute... but I don't really care. Whatever. I've dug a hole for myself now, haven't I.
Moci	MariekeLovesEnjolras wrote: Moci wrote: Amber.Rain wrote: Haha...Lovely People. I saw that and it was pathetic. No, we cut the whole thing out. No Lovely Ladies at all. (wouldn't it be lovely to see 11 year old sixth graders being prostitutes?) We just have Fantine getting fired and my director figured that that was good enough for her to become... well... even worse. It takes a lot of Fantine's story out, but it does make sense. I find it highly ironic that you're supporting the cutting of Lovely Ladies for being inappropriate, but your username is Amber Rain. If you google it, I wouldn't click on the links. Probably very inappropriate. Tsk tsk, Moci, how do you know that so well? (don't worry, that was a joke ) A friend in Hong Kong was telling me that they'd had an amber rain alert and I googled it and got a shock. I'm innocent I tell you, innocent.
High-baritonne	lesmisloony wrote: Quote: Americans and their paranoia. I'm sorry, what? Sorry, that sounded generalizing. I only think that the American system is built upon a "don't teach children about sex until they get pregnant because they didn't now better" strategy. The way a movie with a bare ass, breasts, etc. are rated so that teenagers can't see them, even though the movie may be a teenage movie. It is a little to overprotective in my opinion, hence the paranoia. It seems to me that many Americans feel that if children learn about sex, they are sure to explore it, but if you don't teach them anything, they won't. I don't feel that an 11 year old is to young to learn about prostitution or swearing. If you shield your children from all that is bad, they will get socially damaged. They don't experience anything worse than a death in the family, or a breakup. The more you learn about pain, suffer, sickness, drugs, prostitution, death, murder, etc. the stronger you become. How can you shield yourself from something you don't know? Learn to know your enemies, a very old saying.
Amber.Rain	High-baritonne wrote: lesmisloony wrote: Quote: Americans and their paranoia. I'm sorry, what? Sorry, that sounded generalizing. I only think that the American system is built upon a "don't teach children about sex until they get pregnant because they didn't now better" strategy. The way a movie with a bare ass, breasts, etc. are rated so that teenagers can't see them, even though the movie may be a teenage movie. It is a little to overprotective in my opinion, hence the paranoia. It seems to me that many Americans feel that if children learn about sex, they are sure to explore it, but if you don't teach them anything, they won't. I don't feel that an 11 year old is to young to learn about prostitution or swearing. If you shield your children from all that is bad, they will get socially damaged. They don't experience anything worse than a death in the family, or a breakup. The more you learn about pain, suffer, sickness, drugs, prostitution, death, murder, etc. the stronger you become. How can you shield yourself from something you don't know? Learn to know your enemies, a very old saying. Thank you, I agree.
jackrussell	At school they taught us the story of Solomon and the two prostitutes when we were all too young to know what that meant, so the teacher defined a prostitute as "a woman who has babies for a living". This puzzled me quite considerably at the time.
Amber.Rain	jackrussell wrote: At school they taught us the story of Solomon and the two prostitutes when we were all too young to know what that meant, so the teacher defined a prostitute as "a woman who has babies for a living". This puzzled me quite considerably at the time. Oh, wow.
Vanessa20	jackrussell wrote: At school they taught us the story of Solomon and the two prostitutes when we were all too young to know what that meant, so the teacher defined a prostitute as "a woman who has babies for a living". That's idiotic. Why couldn't they have just left out the fact that the women were prostitutes? That's what my Sunday school did.
The Very Angry Woman	Moci wrote: I find it highly ironic that you're supporting the cutting of Lovely Ladies for being inappropriate, but your username is Amber Rain. If you google it, I wouldn't click on the links. Probably very inappropriate. Have you met her cousin, Pearl Necklace?
High-baritonne	Vanessa20 wrote: jackrussell wrote: At school they taught us the story of Solomon and the two prostitutes when we were all too young to know what that meant, so the teacher defined a prostitute as "a woman who has babies for a living". That's idiotic. Why couldn't they have just left out the fact that the women were prostitutes? That's what my Sunday school did. That's christian! To just exclude material and lie if someone asks? If you are going to tell a story, tell it to those who are capable of taking it in! Don't remove things and hide the truth because they are to young! Just don't do it. Is it that hard to wait for them to grow older?
Eppie-Sue	about the whole "Lovely Ladies" debate... I saw the real production (no cuts) when I was nine years old and I didn't suffer any kind of trauma. Either kids will not understand it or they'll learn something about reality, but it won't hurt them in any kind of way. sheeesh
JesseMVP	The real question in regards to the SE is when they're finally going to un-restrict the rights and allow groups to do the full show. The community theater group I'm in is coming up on their 50th year and I'd love to do something completely overboard when that rolls around. Les Mis is a bit of a stretch, but the fact that it isn't even really an option even though it's 20+ years old frustrates me.
sishu7	More questions I want answered: * Why do they all go to sleep after Enjolras says, "Let no one sleep tonight"? * If Marius is "lost until she's found", why does he sing "I am lost" after he finds her? * In the 1985 lyrics, why does Marius say "I do not even know your name" and then sing "Cosette, Cosette" a couple lines later--before she tells him * Why does Javert say "There is no place for you to hide . . . wherever you may hide away"? Isn't that a bit contradictory? I welcome any more puzzling questions about our favorite musical.
l'ivrogne transfigur�	sishu7 wrote: More questions I want answered: * Why do they all go to sleep after Enjolras says, "Let no one sleep tonight"? Well, he doesn't say that anymore - it's got the lamebutnotquiteaslame eagle line instead. sishu7 wrote: * In the 1985 lyrics, why does Marius say "I do not even know your name" and then sing "Cosette, Cosette" a couple lines later--before she tells him Again, they changed those lyrics - I think the reason is pretty obvious why they did! sishu7 wrote: * Why does Javert say "There is no place for you to hide . . . wherever you may hide away"? Isn't that a bit contradictory? I don't think that's a contradiction - the reason there is no place for him to hide is because wherever he may hide away, Javert will find him.
Vanessa20	Quote: * Why do they all go to sleep after Enjolras says, "Let no one sleep tonight"? I don't know, but as l'ivrogne transfigure said, that line has since been replaced. Maybe back in the day, Trevor Nunn bought into the whole "they were schoolboys, never held a gun" concept and was trying to show that they aren't as able to handle the situation as they think they are. A "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" sort of thing. Quote: * If Marius is "lost until she's found", why does he sing "I am lost" after he finds her? Either, 1) Kretzmer forgot he had already used "lost and found" imagery in the one spot when he wrote the other, or 2) Marius is a lovesick goof who's lost no matter what the situation. Or both. Quote: * In the 1985 lyrics, why does Marius say "I do not even know your name" and then sing "Cosette, Cosette" a couple lines later--before she tells him It never was that way in the actual show. The verse where she tells him her name was always there (albiet with different, cheesier lyrics), before he sings "Cosette, Cosette." It's only the recording that cuts it. Quote: Why does Javert say "There is no place for you to hide . . . wherever you may hide away"? Isn't that a bit contradictory? What l'ivrogne transfigure said. There's no place for Valjean to hide because wherever he may hide away, Javert will be there.
LovelyFantine	What's the significance of Fantine's locket? Where did she get it?
Wandering Ranger	one brief note: "Marius is a love sick goof who is lost no matter what" HILARIOUS! To the locket question: I think, going back to the novel, it has either a picture of Cosette in it or a picture of the student she fell in love with who is also Cosette's real father but who left her and who she mentions in "IDAD". Because, in the show, this man is not mentioned I would suspect the idea in the musical is that it is Fantine's only reminder of Cosette since she is with the Thenardiers.
l'ivrogne transfigur�	LovelyFantine wrote: What's the significance of Fantine's locket? Where did she get it? In the London production she pulls it out and holds it during the verse "He slept a summer by my side...". I assume the idea is that it's a memory of him, or has some association with her past at any rate. [On tour, this wasn't there. So the moment where she sells it lost any sense of meaning. Just a note ]
LovelyFantine	Yeah she didn't do anything in the show I saw. I wondered if there was anything in the book. In the film she says it's something Cosette made for her but I think if that was the case here she wouldn't sell it in any case nor would it be worth anything!
l'ivrogne transfigur�	I don't remember there being any mention of any such thing in the book. But there she sells her hair and her teeth instead of a locket and hair, so... (If I'm wrong, someone do correct me). In the book, Cosette is only two years old when Fantine leaves her - hardly old enough to have made such a thing.
MSam	Not sure if this can be addressed, but the hyperlink under 'So how do I pronounce..?' is broken.
l'ivrogne transfigur�	MSam wrote: Not sure if this can be addressed, but the hyperlink under 'So how do I pronounce..?' is broken. Ah yes, since the website was redone, that section has been removed so therefore no longer exists.
MSam	But how will I ever be able to pronounce 'Enjolras' now??? (jokes, I know how to. )
l'ivrogne transfigur�	Actually, I suppose I could link this site. It's not always accurate - don't rely on it 100%, particularly with names (such as Enjolras) - but it should give you a reasonable idea.
LovelyFantine	This has been bugging me, maybe I'm just missing something: why in 'The Confrontation' does Valjean say he needs 3 days to get Cosette then he'll return to Javert, what's he planning to do with Cosette? He obviously doesn't either. Also, when I saw the show recently there was a bit in 'Lovely Ladies' when was of the prostitutes started complaing then the pimp said something and she said "only joking", I haven't seen that but in any of the lyrics online, was it added in?
Eppie-Sue	LovelyFantine wrote: This has been bugging me, maybe I'm just missing something: why in 'The Confrontation' does Valjean say he needs 3 days to get Cosette then he'll return to Javert, what's he planning to do with Cosette? He obviously doesn't either. Get her into a convent, presumably?! It's a bit vague, but... that's the musical for you. LovelyFantine wrote: Also, when I saw the show recently there was a bit in 'Lovely Ladies' when was of the prostitutes started complaing then the pimp said something and she said "only joking", I haven't seen that but in any of the lyrics online, was it added in? Going purely by memory: Whore: Lord, I'm weary, sick enough to drop Belly burns like fire, will the bleeding ever stop? Pimp: Cheer up, dearie, show a happy face Plenty more like you, dear, if you can't keep up the pace Whore: Only joking, dearie knows her place!
LovelyFantine	Oh my gosh, those words are horrible! Thanks for the answers!

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