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| Brunnhilde |
You know you're obsessed with Javert when...Because we needed it.
YKYAOWJW 1. You open a topic with this title. 2. You are in tears when PQ sings the Suicide. 3. You hear every version of it on youtube, even when it's some frightening bad HS. 4. You hold your umbrella like PQ holds the Stick of Justice. |
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| Trevor reincarnate |
When your name is Laurel... | ||||||
| Sythar |
Re: You know you're obsessed with Javert when...
THANK you YKYAOWJW 1. You talk to him on buses. And your brother does the same - just to cheer you up because you saw a really awful play version of Les Mis. 2. You spend hours trying to convince your friends that he isn't the villain (after forcing them to watch the show in the first place) 3. You nearly burst out crying when some children next to you in Really Awful Play Version said 'So evil' as Javert walks off stage. 4. You see a guy with dark hair, sideburns, and a black greatcoat - and drool. 5. All your fanfiction is based on Javert. 6. You know who AmZ is. 7. You've underlined and annotated all the parts in Les Mis when Javert shows up. 8. You wrote a quiz on FunTrivia about him. 9. It was the first. 10. It's ranked as 'Very Difficult'. 11. You know all his songs off by heart and when they play on your I-Pod/Computer/CD you stop what you're doing and go dreamy-eyed. 12. You think of Anthony Perkins, Geoffrey Rush, and Malkovitch as 'Javert'. Except you think they all could have done much better if the scriptwriters had actually liked Javert. 13. You hear Javert's snarky comments every time you listen to the musical and you've written them down for future fanfic use. 14. You see greatcoats, policemen, or facial hair - and think 'JAVERT!' 15. All your friends think you're crazy for obsessing over dead fictional 19th century French policemen. 16. You're thinking about getting no. 15 printed on a T-Shirt. 17. You know who Vidocq is and you've read his memoir. 18. You did so originally so you could write better Javert fanfic. |
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| LittleGavroche |
You somehow manage to incorporate Javert into an essay on L.A. Confidential for your Film Study class. | ||||||
| EponineMNFF |
You get a Javert coat for your birthday. 
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| Brunnhilde |
Where is that quiz?
- You notice that in the Phantom movie Raoul has sideburns (not so big) and you giggle. - You play Javert in an LM/POTO/ST RPG. - You play a totally Javert-like character in a medieval fantasy rpg. Including clothes, stick, sideburn, hats... |
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| Sythar |
http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz/Literature/Javert-Inspector-First-Class-263303.html
I'm expecting you to get a perfect score.
1. You somehow mentally associate the Scarlet Pimpernel with Javert because Terence Mann played both Javert and Chauvelein. 2. You got into an e-mail conversation with someone writing a Lent Program based on Les Mis, and managed to convince them not to make Javert the achetype for Satan. *is proud of this* |
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| lesmisloony |
I missed one question on that quiz. Bad Loony! I read Montreuil-sur-Mer but my brain supplied Montfermeil, so. But it's 3am!
(But but but I also wanted to point out that M. Gillenormand most certainly *does* have a first name! Luc-Esprit, of course, and he has thirty-two teeth!) Also I say  at the notion of Babet pushing Javert off the bridge.
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| Brunnhilde |
You know all Loony's fics.
You fall out of your chair while reading them. You sing Stars while driving. And also Confrontation. When somebody says "law" you correct them immediately: It's LAWR! Even if it's a policeman. You listen PQ every evening because you can't sleep till he sings: "...OOOOON!" You notice all characters with a little likeness to Javert. When you watch the Return of the jedi and Vader says he has no doubt, you begin to sing: "And must I now begin to doubt... who never doubted all these years?" |
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| Sythar |
Heh - I'll admit that I guessed I probably missed some details and was just waiting for someone to catch a mistake.  Loony! You're the first person in over a hundred to catch that!
1. You watched a Poirot - there was a gentleman with large sideburns, a factory, and a mayor. You thought of Javert, Les Mis, Fantine, and Valjean in that order. |
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| Catherine |
Shame on me I only got 3/10.
Was it just me that LOL'd at the idea of Javert wearing women's clothes? And when it said "fiddle" I thought you meant playing the fiddle, or violin! Couldn't really imagine Javert doing that to be honest... |
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| Sythar |
I'm sorry about that. I've often wondered if that wording was confusing... I just couldn't think of a better way to describe it. So, which answers did you ace? 
Oh, an I adore your sig-picture... just adore it. |
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| Brunnhilde |
YNYAOWJW
1. You are unable to spell Javier Bardem's name correctly. You spell it sthing like this: [ZSAH-VI-E] 2. You think that Javier Bardem would make a great Javert, and not only for his name. 3. You think about actors who you'd like to see as Javert. My list includes: - Alan Rickman - James Coburn (R.I.P.) - he would make a great Javert in the 1970's. See his Pat Garrett. So sad, so lost, so lonely... so obsessed with the lawr. (And sooo slashy with Billy the Kid.) - Nakadai Tatsuya - the hero of the late Kurosawa and also the hero of Kobayashi's Seppuku. - Harvey Keitel (if he were taller) in the early 90's - Robert De Niro - he could also play Valjean, but if you asked him to play Javert, he'd be a perfect Javert, too. Method acting rules. - Warren Oates, if you wanted a Gypsy Javert
- Henry Fonda. "What are we doing with this one, Inspector Javert?" "Now that you called me by name..." - He has it... cold eyes, tall, thin, add sideburns
- An aging Alain Delon. Cold, tragic and played a lot of cops. Maybe too beautiful, but I'd make him a nice scar (from a cut) to make him more masculine. - Erich von Stroheim (soon long dead). He was awesome by playing Evil German Officers, maybe the best-known in La grande illusion. - Klaus Kinski! Really, men! See Herzog movies. He was totally mad but a genius. |
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| lizavert |
YKYOWJW...
You take Sythar's test and get a nine out of ten. I missed the question about how long Javert hunts Valjean. But the correct answer was wrong! I draw your attention to the Brick. Fantine, Book Eight:Counter-Stroke, Chapter IV:Authority Gains it's Power:
*italics mine But you see my point right? If he had been hunting Valjean for five years, and then add the two or three in the answer, then that comes out to seven or eight years! |
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| lesmisloony |
Behoooold the power of my GIMP skillz. *is aware this picture has now been posted EVERYWHERE* |
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| Sythar |
lizavert - my humblest apologies. I really don't have any excuse for slipping up like that. 
Note to self: Rewrite quiz. And have brick on hand for reference when doing so. 1. In Sims2 you have half a dozen Javert families, and he's the first character you make when trying out a new expansion pack. 2. Also in Sims2 you made a Crack!Family with Valjean as the only human and the rest of the family as dogs. Weirdly enough, GrantaireTheDog followed EnjolrasTheDog everywhere, Ponine and Jehan kepts getting into fights, and Javert kept bringing Valjean over to break up said fights... Weird. 3. Your Original MC in you historical fiction/mystery series (Under Construction) bears a strange resemblance to Javert... |
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| Brunnhilde |
Today we were travelling to the capital of our shire, and in the backway we saw a police car, some policemen and two... ahem... *girls*... chatting friendly.
First thought: "And poor Inspector is turning in his grave!" To the Quiz: the novel only tells his mother is a fortune-teller. If she were Gypsy, it would be mentioned... M. Gillenormand does have a first name, it's Luc-Esprit. Even a chapter title! Javert burns his coat tails, lol. And he really says adorable things. And I guess he hates cold. He stands in the room in a greatcoat and leans to the stove. That's not normal. And also in June, he chases Th�nardier in a greatcoat. In the novel, he wears that coat always. And also the hat. I wonder what is under the coat?
We maybe never saw it, and on the barricades, he wore some worker clothes. Javert vs Mme Th�nardier is total fun.
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| mastachen |
Very impressive. A+! |
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| lizavert |
Aww, that's okay. I was just nerdy enough to pick up on that one.
On topic: YKYOWJW... You see this v 
and your first thought is: Ooh, he sorta looks like Javert! |
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| lesmisloony |
Aren't there stories about PQ being pissed when fans mistake him for Russel Crowe? | ||||||
| Orestes Fasting |
Jack Aubrey as Javert?
...excuse me while I break down laughing in the corner. |
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| Sythar |
Russel Crowe does look a bit like PQ...
Oooh, Brunhilde! I'm getting ideas for a new fic now. You're giving me plotbunnies. (makes note - See what Javert has to say about that overcoat...) 1. You get mad at people criticizing the police because Javert was/is a policeman. 2. You and several friends are all semi-convinced that you have Javert's ghost following you about because anywhere you go... you find police stations.... |
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| Brunnhilde |
I think Russel Crowe isn't bad. He couldn't act when he got the Oscar, but in 3:10 to Yuma, he was surprisingly good. And Aubrey really looks like Javert.
Maybe it's the eye color, the stature, the sideburns... Saw a policeman today, talking to people on the terasse of a caf�, and giggled. I imagined him asking: "Mmmm, so, how often do you see those ABC boys here?" |
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| lizavert |
As for the Aubrey thing, that was literally the first thing that popped into my head. My warped little mind at work again. |
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| Brunnhilde |
YKYAOWJW
- You begin to thinking about: "I want to see Geoffrey Rush in film noirs... in longcoat and Borsalino hat. And smoking a lot and drinking his whisky..." As he ages, he's getting like Bogart and Montand. I really want to see him as a typical film noir policeman.
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| Sythar |
I can't stand the 1998 film and their portrayal of Javert. But Geoffrey Rush's acting is supurb - and almost makes up for it. 1. You want a bicorne, overcoat, and nightstick for your next birthday. 2. You want to visit the Seinne, and the Point Du notre Dame... but you're afraid you might get carried away and leap in on a spur of the moment thing. 3. Whenever watching TAC, you ignore the action on stage and focus on Philip Quat. All the time. 4. You think the mini!fight Michael Ball and PQ get into is hilarious. 5. You love it during the bows where PQ and Colm W. hug.... 6. All your stories to date have focussed on Javert. |
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| Brunnhilde |
TAC: You count how many times does Philip move or grab the microphone.
You have a Javert costume. If you are a boy, you try to grow sideburns and you wear your hair in ponytail. You sing Javert's songs while driving. |
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| Sythar |
You actually paused a couple of times before jaywalking and thought: 'gee... Javert would have to arrest me for this!'
When people ask you what actors you think are attractive, all of your top three have played Javert at some time. All of your top ten would look really really cool in greatcoats and with sideburns. You - kinda want to try snuff at least once. Just to see what its like. |
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| Brunnhilde |
Snuff? Good idea. It's so important for a policeman.
YKYAOWJW You watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5YHa8gg2PI And you scream in pain. And run around the room screaming: WTF? WTF? WTF? Warning: horrible. Really. WHY?! |
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| Catherine |
^
Did anyone else burst out laughing when Valjean's moustache moved when he talked? I just found it really funny, and I don't know why. |
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| Brunnhilde |
Valjean's moustache in so bad. I can't imagine him with it.
But Javert's Snape Hair Style os so...
Just... that... sunrise. That damned sunrise. It ruined everything. |
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| jackissensational |
Javert looks like an Asian Scroogee! You know...when: Your conscience no longer asks you "WWJD, What Would Jesus Do?", but "WWJD, What Would Javert Do?" |
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| Sythar |
Oh..... no.....
Brunhilde - that's just... HORRIBLE! I hate that Javert dies, but please, this way makes no sense to his character! And they completely over played his involvement in Fantine's death. I flipped back a few episodes and tried to watch the 'Scene at the Barricade' between Valjean and Javert. I couldn't really stomach it. They left him with no dignity. YKYOWJW - You base how much you like a Les Mis movie pretty much on how well they treat Javert. |
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| Brunnhilde |
Yes, it was totally horrible. I can't understand. They killed off Fantine, Mabeuf, Eppie, all the cute barricade boys (Enjy!  ), and they spared Gavroche in a totally laughable way ("teh big dog comes to save teh day"). I thought that was enough of WTF...
Come on. When children watch this anime, they'll hate Javert. (They are too little to understand him.) I don't think his death would harm them... OMG and he looks like Snape. And men, this was made for Japansese children. In Japan, suicide in totally accepted. And in other things, it would be a good film. But they ruined our precioussss. |
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| lesmisloony |
You guys. I LOVE SHOUJO COSETTE. I'm not gonna lie. I'm kind of obsessed with it.
But I'd only ever seen up till Fantine's death because of all the hassle of trying to find it online. Um, and I watched all that with Italian subs. No, I don't really know Italian. But it was the best I could do. (I love you bigR.) That said, OMGSQUEE THANK YOU FOR LINKING THAT! *cough* Yes, I know, Javert and Gavroche survive the barricades and there's an adorable puppy involved, but it has Montparnasse okay? And there are enough random minour details that are perfect that it makes up for all the crap in the actual plot tweakery. |
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| Brunnhilde |
Don't worry Loony, you have my vote for your Monty role.
But please, keep writin' about the movies.
I like Shoujo Cosette, too, it's totally cute, and it has a lot of adorable little book moments. But why did they this to poor Javvie?
YKYAOWJW You got the PRC and fell in love with his voice again.
And I also got the Swedish version (thanks to MmeJavert), it's also hilarious. |
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| Sythar |
Hey - Loony... I totally sympathise. Heck, I like the whole Enjy/Grantaire scene and I'm sure I'd like the rest of it!
(Is now intrigued and wants to see Montparnasse) But - yeah, my big beef is the treatment of poor Javvie. Apart from that it's pretty commendable that they made such an effort to do an exhaustive reproduction! (And yes - I'm voting for you as 'Parnasse too. Who else could possibly get the role!?) |
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| lesmisloony |
*dance of Monty victory*
(Though if Kragey shows up she totally deserves it.) The Shoujo Cosette Montparnasse is the one in my banner down there. The, uh, animated one, if you couldn't figure that out. The wonderful PhantomInspector from ff.net made me a banner of a bunch of caps of him, and I fell in love. I haven't actually seen him in action yet, but the face is so close to perfect and there are caps with him bullying Eponine and holding a rose, so I'm in. |
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| bigR |
Oh yes! Anime Monty! He is wonderful. Absolutely pretty, with huge dangerous cat eyes . I love him.
Knight of the Zodiac!Enjolras (do you know that anime?) is the only one who can compare with him. |
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| lizavert |
I know I'm a little late with this, but...
^That is just... 
Oh, and loony? You can count on my vote as well.
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| Brunnhilde |
YKYAOWJW
You are playing DragonFable, and you notice and Printscreen this and upload it to your devart. http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs31/f/2008/217/3/0/DragonFable_Mizzified_by_Sieglinde84.jpg |
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| Bramblefox |
Guess who is here! *does a little dance* Ahem. Anyhoodle...lessee.
YKYOWJW: --You perform his suicide over a frozen lake. --You encourage your brother to grow sideburns, even though he's too young. --You think all men with muttonchop sideburns are awesomeness incarnate. --You claim that Javert lives in your closet...and that he can shrink down to pocket size and that he sits on your shoulder while you check emails. --You want to get a black German Shepherd and name him Javert. (long story, but there's a fanfic involved) Believe me, I have lots more... |
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| annoynmouse |
.. When you are reading interviews with actors who have played him and they say he's the bad guy and you go....   .
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| Sythar |
1. You can't believe a STrekNG episode uses Les Mis references and indicates that Javert is the bad guy!
2. You're not sure if Picard being compared to Javert is a compliment either... 3. You feel the need to sit down with people who have just seen the show and explain to them that Javert is a fantastic character and by no means the villain. 4. You weep silently when it becomes apparent that such an explanation was necessary. 5. You are showing TAC to a friend and at 'At The End Of The Day' they turn to you and go 'So - be sure to point out the guy you keep fangirling over, huh?' And you blink and think : A. How did you miss the sheer awesomeness of Phillip Quast?! B. How did you miss the 'And I am Javert' line?! I've mentioned him by name at least a hundred times! C. Isn't it obvious?? Who else could I be fangirling over?? 6. You PM/E-mail a lot of Javert fans. In fact, they make up about half of your internet correspondence. |
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| Bramblefox |
*raises hand* Whoa...so guilty here... That's kind of disturbing, actually...but in a good way! XD
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| Brunnhilde |
Star Trek, lol.
1. You actually think about Patrick Stewart playing Javert (with hair and sideburns, of course). He could do it. He was AWESOME as Captain Ahab, and I think Captain Ahab is Javert's American cousin. 2. After this, you begin to think of a Moby Dick/LM crossover. 3. Another Star Trek: you always thought Javert is half Vulcanian. 4. He's sooo like Spock. Plays the emotionless, cold, logical dude and desires the protagonist. (Spock: Ah, Jim... Javert: Ah... Jean...) 5. Before LM, you thought sideburns are old-fashioned and laughable. Since you saw TAC the first time, you think sideburns are totally hot. |
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| Bramblefox |
YKYOWJW:
--You beg your older brother to buy a can of snuff, not to use it, but just so you can bury it away in a drawer and say that yes, you do in fact own snuff. --You wear a black greatcoat (or one very similar to a greatcoat) with tall black boots because you think they're awesome. --You spent muchos money on said boots and wore them for weeks when they came in the mail. --You dyed your hair black so you could look like a half-Gypsy. --You have gone through several 'Javert Obsession' lists and thought for the whole thing, "Whoa, I'm not alone, other people do that stuff too!"
--You had your mom trim your hair to a perfectly level length at the bottom, without layers or anything, because Javert's hair is in an even ponytail. --You compare your hair length to Philip Quast's in the TAC. --You study PQ's costume in the TAC with the full intentions of making one just like it. --You celebrate Barricade Day as Javert, slept in your trusty black coat and boots, and stayed up until 1:30 in the morning to observe Javert's death, playing 'Javert's Suicide' so that he says 'There is no way to go oooooooonnn!' right at 1:23:45 AM. --Your favorite songs, even the rather discordant ones, all have Javert in them. --Your favorite parts of the Brick concentrate on Javert. --You plan on directing a version of Les Mis that puts Javert in a better light than, say, the '98 film. Goodness, this is getting long...
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| Sythar |
Brunhilde: Now I'm imagining Leonard Nimoy playing Javert! (it works fascinatingly well actually)
I think we have a consesus that all Javert fans think sideburns are totally hot, yes? I know that was one of the things I disliked about Malkovich's Javert. No sideburns. 1. You adore Geoffrey Rush because he plays a remarkably good Javert considering the fact that the director and the script writer hated our Inspector. 2. Your first ever attendance to a live Les Mis show starred a remarkably good Javert. You nearly fainted when after the barricades he walks across stage in a long black leather coat holding a brilliant antique pistol. Javert... in leather...in leather... with a GUN! *drools* 3. With the handsomest damn Enjolras you've ever seen, and a really hot Marius, and a collection of some of the best looking ABC students you've ever seen... you still thought Javert was the hottest in the show. 4. You are pretty certain that you're the only red-blooded girl who did. |
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| lesmisloony |
Seen the 2000 miniseries? 
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| Sythar |
With Gerard Depardieu?
Yeah - but I want the French version. The english version misses out about half of the action. Anyway - this leather coat was cooler. And the Javert had sideburns and was very badass.
In 'Confrontation' he held Valjean's bit!of!chair(tm) off with his nightstick - and was totally winning. *sighs happily* |
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| Brunnhilde |
Leather is just not his style. It's not so soft as the Black Greatcoat Of Doom.
And gun? Well, he had guns but Marius forgot to bring them back (in the '57 movie, when Javert is brought to the alley by Valjean, they meet Marius, and Javert says: "Hey, you STILL haven't brought my pistols back!" Marius is like: *embarassed* And Javert is like: "Hehe, I'm totally cool and unafraid!" And Valjean is like: "Let's go, the movie's running time is too long." He doesn't need guns. The Stick of Justice is enough. And bullets can't hurt him.
Oh, Nimoy!Javert... with Spock ears and hair... *facedesk* |
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| Sythar |
Well - it is musical Javert, y'know. Musical!Javert follows Valjean from the barricades above ground (Super!Gypsy!Powerz?), so it's not exactly book canon. I know - I love the greatcoat myself. But the leather did look awfully cool. And the gun was a perfect replica.
Of course Book!Javert does not need guns. He doesn't even need the stick of justice really. He just has it to show he could use it if he wanted to.
I want to watch 1957 - I only have 2000 (Depardieu), 1998 (headdesk), 1978 (Javert/Valjean slashiness inc), 1954 (Eponine!Secretary and Javert!Crazy) and 1935 (Jelly!Javert). |
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| lizavert |
I have the 1957 on VHS. I'm not terribly fond of that Javert. He reminds me of Charles Laughton a little to much. | ||||||
| Sythar |
Eh - I'm trying to build up a bigger collection. At the moment when my friends ask me to bring a Les Mis DVD to show them I can say 'Which one? I have six!'
I'd like to get up to ten.
1. You get horribly upset when people have a one-dimensional grasp of Javert's character and feel obliged to - ahem - indoctrinate them with the Truth of the Law! |
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| Brunnhilde |
1957 Javert is a honest character actor, but a little gray... boring... not the tragic antagonist. Not even an antagonist for a genius like Jean Gabin. And he's FAT. And his sideburns are not big enough. And he's not sexy.
YKYAOWJW You watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3DtSRq6J_M And you giggle cos: 1. He's got SIDEBURNS! 2. He's a policeman (police chief of Rome) 3. He's a baritone 4. He's religious But, unlike our precious Javert, Scarpia is totally, hopelessly EVIL. He's a lustful, ruthless, pervert sadist who wants the soprano. And... the soprano kills him. With a knife. How right.
OFF: OMG Sherrill Milnes is a sexy beast! *melts into puddle* *ignores Cavaradossi* |
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| Bramblefox |
YKYOWJW:
You make a little clay bust of him. Case in point: Front:http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/282-1.jpg Right side: http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/283-1.jpg Back: http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/284-1.jpg Left side: http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/285.jpg Oh, I saw the '57 Les Mis. Why can't anyone do a Les Mis movie with a GOOD Javert, huh?? *snarls* |
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| Vanessa20 |
I remember how the first time my mom and I saw "Tosca" (the 1992 on-location film version), my mom called Scarpia "the Javert role." That Scarpia was Ruggero Raimondi- less sexy than Sherrill Milnes, but still decent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3lPxwct2sk&feature=related |
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| Brunnhilde |
Raimondi... ugh, he's so evil and ugly. I love when Scarpia is strangely sexy (but still a SOB) like Milnes or Gobbi.
Plus, Raimondi ruins a GREAT Don Carlo recording (which also includes an amazing young Milnes as Posa). Raimondi's voice is not enough for King Philip. He can't sing a normal low F (like "chai-iiin", ya know). I only liked him in the Rosi-Carmen, he was a great Escamillo, but in the Losey-Don Giovanni he was BAD. Bad, bad, bad and totally not hot. I hate that movie in general. Boring and no humor. Nothing to do with Mozart's spirit. YKYAOWJW You write a fic about your two fave Javert singers... in an early 19th century Spanish set, one of them as a young, innocent Jesuit exorcist (hehh... Christian M�ller, the angel) and the other as a middle-aged but sexy possessed-by-Devil victim... with gorgeous, sad eyes (guess who). And it's totally sacrilege and it will lead to a tragic end. 
You listen to Him while walking from your car to your workplace. |
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| Pylades Laconic |
Sythar, I've got the full French 2000 mini-series on my computer and would be happy to email it to you. Of course, I'll have to send it in four parts, otherwise the soonest you'd be getting it would probably be in.. oh... say... ten years from now.
J.M. made a fantastic Javert I thought. The way he could totally stare you down... But he was too cruel. It seemed to me like he was even sadistic... And the leather, while totally cool, just wasn't cool enough for Javert. It made his Great Coat of Feared Godliness seem like the Half Hearted Coat of Limp Noodly-ness. And his suicide, rather than tragic was actually quite hilarious. And it defied the laws of physics. (Super!Gyspsy!Powerz!Again?) |
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| Brunnhilde |
Oh, that "long and fearless walk into the water" scene is so .
What I hate in Malkovich!Javert is: - His hair! Both the long hair (it looks out extemely bad with the top hat and Javert NEEDS a ribbon!) and the almost-nothing. He can't be bald. - He had no sideburns. Javert is not Javert without them. - He's a sadist and I can't feel pity for him. - Leather coat. Come on, he needs a duster! A long, black Lee Van Cleef-style duster. Leather coat made him look like so... strange. Add an Iron Cross and you'll see what I mean. The only leather item mentioned is his collar. |
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| Pylades Laconic |
Well, it seems like we pretty much share the same opinion, then. - I agree with you on the sideburns point. That really disappointed me. - Javert sucks without a soul. - Leather makes it seem like he's 'trying too hard.' - RIBBON?!?! Whaere is this coming from? Oh, GOD! Please don't tell me I missed that in the book. I know his hair is long, but I thought he always had it loose. I can't believe I screwed up the ribbon thing! Oh, I'm so pissed. -The first time I saw Bald!Javert, it was out of the corner of my eye and so I thought it was Bosseut. But then I saw who it really was, and I died. And then I came back to life and started screaming: "What the HELL did you do to him?" |
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| lizavert |
Don't panic! It's a musical thing more than anything else. The book never really mentions how long his hair is. Unless I missed something too. |
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| Pylades Laconic |
It says that his hair comes down over his eyebrows, and something about the fact that it is rather bushy, so I think of his hair as a bit on the longer, wild side. (page 171 of the unabridged Signet version.) | ||||||
| Brunnhilde |
And before he enters Fantine's room in the hospital, it also says his hair is gray. So we don't even know the original color.
In most movies, his hair is either short or a little longer by his neck. But in the musical, he has always long hair, wears in bounded with a ribbon and lets it down during the Suicide scene. *Is obsessed with his hair* *especially PQ's Lucius-like hair* YKYAOWJW - You think Lucius copied Javert's hair style. (My friend saw my McCarthy avatar on msn and asked if it's Lucius...) - You mention Sirius as 24601 and wonder why the HP fans don't get it. - You want to go to Paris, on June 7th 1 o'clock, stand on THAT certain point between Pont Notre-Dame and Pont-au-Change and listen the Suicide with Philip.
But don't jump cos you know you are not Michael Phelps... and the Seine is pretty dangerous. |
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| Pylades Laconic |
Perhaps we can ask Phelps to do it for us. We'll watch him jump off, and have him stay under for, say, five seconds. And then swim away when no one was looking... What?... Oh, come off it, it isn't that life threatening! | ||||||
| Brunnhilde |
YKYAOWJW
- You begin to think about: "He had to can swim, that's why hee choose that point of river. To have no chance." - Interesting, in a lot of movie versions he handcuffs himself before jumping. I wonder which movie was the first where he did it? The others copied each other... *feels guilty to love the '98 version ending...* it is so artistic and always makes me sob. Poor Javert.
And that son of a ... Valjean just stands there and is like: "Hm, WTF?" And then smiles. *searches for razor and tries to hunt down Valjean for this* |
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| Pylades Laconic |
Cool though Javert may be, Valjean is cooler. Or at least equally cool. I'm sorry. But he is. Don't diss the Valjean just because he is made of win. He's too sweet to be dissed. His poor, little heart would break. And we don't want to turn into a Marius, do we? No. Because that would not be cool.
And... um... woah? There is a movie version where Valjean watches Javert commit suicide? Nifty idea! Well, if the man you've been deathly afraid of (that's not to say that you hate him...) for a very long time died, I think you'd be a little relieved too. YKYOWJW: 1.) You intend to grow out your hair, to dress up like him for Halloween. 2.) You have asked your Grandmother to teach you how to sew so that you may make the afore hinted at costume. 3.) You have nothing better to do that read this. |
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| lizavert |
That would be the '98 movie with Liam Neeson and Geoffrey Rush. Arguably the worst of all the movies. |
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| Sythar |
Actually it's incredibly OOC for Valjean. We are talking about the Jean Valjean who saved Javert at the barricade here. The Jean Valjean who also saved a man who is arguably his enemy (Marius). I think we all know that Valjean's conscience alone wouldn't let him stand by and watch another man comitt suicide merely so he could be free. Yeah - I love that scene in a guilty pleasure sort of way too, Brunhilde. But I always stop watching before Valjean gets up and skips off happily to the sound of bluebirds singing. YKYOWJW - you just about squee-ed when an older fried happened to mention that they'd seen a movie version of Les Mis (black and white - she couldn't remember which but I'm figuring it might be the '54 version) and when youre explaining what happens to Valjean vs Javert's moral reaction to the offer of mercy (for the benefit of the other people in the room) she looks slightly puzzled and says: 'But I thought he was dying so that the other fellow could be free...?" Man - I don't know when I've last met anyone who picked up on Javert's secondary reason for suicide so fast!! |
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| Pylades Laconic |
Oh... so you mean like really happy. I guess I didn't really get that then. That's just wrong.
And, I assumed when I found out that Valjean saw Javert commit suicide, it was from far away, or something. Like there was nothing he could really do about it, or, yeah. But now it sound like he was right there. And was just standing there, like: "Hmm, I wonder what Toussaint is cooking right now." |
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| Brunnhilde |
Toussaint cooking:
Oh, my God. Valjean would never just stand there and watch and smile. In that movie, it was clearer than usual that Javert died for him. And he's a damned Saintly Hero. He must save everybody! And come on... if you - who are just an everyday person and not Saintly Ex-Con - were there and saw that scene, wouldn't you jump in and try to save him? Okay, Javert would be totally angry after that and sending Valjean back into his *beep* mother, but Valjean would still save him. But that fall is so beautiful... maybe the best fall ever. In the early movies, it's not shown, in the '57 version he just jumps in but not from a bridge (it's not too dramatic... he walks and sees some homeless people who are like: "WTF is he doing here?" and the narrator talks about his dilemma. And then he jumps.), in the '78 version it's a funny trick. (Laughable and bad, I mean.) And we all know Malkovich's Long and Dramatic Walk. Oh, and there is NOT night in any version Ive seen. Okay, is there a normal version of this? With jumping from the parapet, letting the hat there and being night? (Not to mention the letter. I adore his letter. It's so him.) |
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| lesmisloony |
^I like to watch Geoffrey Rush's dramatic lame fall in rewind. | ||||||
| Sythar |
I have seen five versions of The Suicide (not including the Musical). You don't see Laughton jump - just a depressed black hat floating away to the sound of choral music. In the '54 I don't think you see him jump either (I totally hate Valjean's friend - um - what's his name? Francis? Charles? Who badgers poor Javert to his death in that one.) In '78 it's a pretty stupid looking 'topple head over heels' without any real deliberation on why. Rush's backwards fall is gorgeous - especially with the cuffs. But completely uncanon.
And Malkovitch's long slow walk of death followed by the top hat floating away? *sighs sadly* Oh dear. Yeah Pylades, Javert basically says to Valjean: 'You don't want to go back to the galleys, do you? Well, we agree.' *uncuffs Valjean and shoves him away* 'You are free.' *cuffs self and topples backwards into Seinne.* Valjean watches as bubbles stop rising, gets up, and walks back to his house - a BIG smile on his face and uplifting music playing. End Of Film. YKYOWJW - You think it's completely unfair that every film kills Javert off (sometimes with extreme prejudice) but you've only seen one that keeps the canon Valjean death at the end. |
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| Brunnhilde |
Where can one get the '54 version? WTF? Somebody actually HELPED him to die?
I want night, bridge, hat and inner monlogue! No narrator. No soliloquy. You know, the way when the character doesn't speak but we hear his voice. YKYAOWJW - You are about to get the 2000 miniseries, although you HATE Depardieu, died laughing while reading Loony'synopsis, died while watching parts on youtube, and you only like Malkovich in Dangerous Liaisons (Mmm... he was HOT in that movie.) But you want to laugh. Okay, the Dramatic Walk Into The River In The Mist is nice, but it's so odd. I mean, Javert seems totally bored out of his head... in fact, Malkovich seems bored very often. See Eragon. - You watched again Dune, and noticed that "Richard Valjordan"( (c). by Loony) played Duncan Idaho. You giggled thoughout the movie. You also began to think about how nice would be a Stilgar!Javvie and a Paul!Marius. And you were sad because you couldn't find a Mizzie fitting for Baron Harkonnen. (I'm totally fangirling the Baron. He's a terrible old mother*beep*, but he's an unforgettable character, and in the book, extremely well-written.) |
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| Sythar |
Hold on. It's the 1952 version, not the 1954 version (which may or may not exist). Staring Michael Rennie as Valjean and Robert Newton (who has one of the most sick-making 'Why Valjean Shouldn't Let Me Go' speeches ever) as Javert.
But, yes. It's pretty well ick. It came in a box set with the '35 version. (see http://www.geocities.com/stuartfernie/Misfilms.htm for a review of it ((not mine)) Robert - hardly a French name, methinks - takes Javert to task when Javert helps Valjean carry Marius home. Valjean's tottered off into another room and Robert starts in on Javert and tries to make him feel guilty. It's obvious that poor old 'Etienne' Javert (yes. They gave Him a first name) is already struggling with the whole situation, but Robert just needles him and needles him until Javert leaves and jumps in the river. Ironically, the producer said 'You can't tamper with a story that is so familiar to so many people'. HAH! ETA YKYOWJW - You FOOLISHLY read a review of Les Mis 1935 on IMDB.com. And you choke with rage at this: 'Charles Laughton in his career played many a deformed soul and none more than Inspector Javert.' |
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| Brunnhilde |
Poor Javert! Let's kill this Robert fellow. *huggles Javvie*
YKYAOWJW You now can't watch Spartacus again without giggling. I love Charles Laughton as Gracchus, he's so damned cool and he has the greatest lines. And SPOILER he commits suicide in this role, too. Off-screen. Javvie can't have a first name!  Especially not Etienne. That's so common.
And not Snookums, please. Don't mock him. I've read a fic once (and it was great but unfinished! ) where his name was Alain. Maybe the only I like, but he's still better with no first name.
Oh, my God, imagine a middle-aged Alain Delon as Javert. With his cold, beautiful eyes and his tragic aura ("I'm sure I won't survive the film, and that rocks"). * Reading the reviews: I want to see that Italian version where Th�nardier shots Valjean at the end. It is so bizarre... OMG Italians and their melodramas.
Otherwise, it seems still the Gabin version is the most normal... It may be a little old-fashioned and the actors are not too hot, but Gabin IS Valjean and it's very faithful to the book, except that we don't have the coffin escape scene. But this is the only version what makes me cry (beside the anime). But the '78 version has it. It's great. I was like: "Hey, Valjean, don't panic! Think what Pai Mei taught to you! Ooops... wrong movie." Oh, and damned anime. It could have been the best interpretation if they let Gavroche and Javert die. |
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| Bramblefox |
Oh man, that was AWFUL. I saw the bit of the anime with Javert's not-suicde and spent the next twenty minutes yelling about how stupid and OOC that conclusion was. Agh. *wrings invisible neck* And how Javert drops an f-bomb when Valjean lets him go--that totally ruined his character in the anime (before seeing the not-suicide, that is) YKYOWJW: Sideburns were not necessarily attractive until you saw Quast. Now you feel the need to point out and drool over every hint of sideburns you see on characters and/or real people. --You do the same with ponytails on guys. *nods* |
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| lizavert |
Oh, God. Guilty!
I need help. And that anime thing? I really want to whack the writer who came up with that upside the head with Javvie's stick. When I saw that I was like "Wait, let me get this straight. Javert saw the sun come up and then went back to work like nothing ever happened? That is...AARGH!" |
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| Brunnhilde |
Who made the anime? We should go to Japan and cut their head off. With a nice katana. *dreamy sigh* Saying something awesome quote from the Bride.
YKYAOWJW - After Shoujo Cosette, you feel sick when you see a sunrise of just hear somebody mention one. - While seeing the movie-must-not-be-named, your friend asks if Javert uses cocaine. You yell: "This is not *beep* Scarface and not *beep* Pulp Fiction! (Although you adore said movies.) It's snuff!" - After this, you begin to think about an Al Pacino!Javert, who uses cocaine and his every second word is something *beep*. You fall under desk from this idea. - You didn't know the English words for snuff, sideburns, nightstick and convict before your obsession. |
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| Sythar |
Robert must die. It is inevitable. We will kill him and kill the person who decided to turn Anime!Javert into a bastard son of the Wicked Witch of the West (not Elpahba, the other one) and bury them in the same...
YKYOWJW: You suddenly find yourself making obscure and gruesome threats against people who maltreat Javert.
Alain... Um... Brunhilde? I have a novel series planned where my MC is named Alain Dupard. He's a Javert inspired character. The novel is set in 19th century France... about the Surete. The idea of Javert being called Alain is incredibly squee-making for me. YKYOWJW: 1. You have to remind yourself not to stare at a dark-skinned guy with scruffy long black hair, a black coat, and sideburns. 2. You also have to remind yourself not to drool. 3. You end up basing a whole series on Vidocq who is half Javert and one of your MCs is inspired by Javert... and you are rather scared everyone is going to point it out when they read it... ETA 4. You google!image Alain Delon and nearly fall off your seat. OMG. Perfect Javert! *drools* |
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| Brunnhilde |
Alain Delon... oh... *dies*
See Le samourai or Le cercle rouge from Melville. Maybe his best movies. Alain was an assasin in one and a thief in the other. Oh, and in Le cercle rouge, Bourvil (Th�nardier! yay!) played their enemy, a cat-obsessed policeman, in his last role. And Alain's character was CLEARLY in love with Gian Maria Volont�'s character. He hugged him, gave him a red rose and all. That movie is an excellent example for French "male friendship" ballads. Thinking about it, Volont� once played a police chief who murdered his girlfriend...
But Delon played a lot of cops after that, too. And if Delon were Javert, it would be even slashier than the '78 version. He is openly bi and all he needed would be a sexy ex-con.
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| Bramblefox |
*gasp* You are? You, my friend, are made of awesomeness. *nods* I just googled Alain Delon...oh wow. Quite possibly perfect. And he's French too. BUT. An excellent Javert (possibly, maybe, imho) would be Martin Shaw. He played Chauvelin in the '99 Scarlet Pimpernel, and even though he's old (shh!) he is incredibly drool-worthy. Look him up. YKYOWJW: You want your older brother (who is of legal age) to buy you some snuff, just so you can say 'ha ha, I have snuff' and put it in a drawer and sigh over it. XD |
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| Sythar |
OOOO! Martin Shaw! I loved him as Chauvelin. And yes, I completely fangirled him too. He would be a very very very awesome Javert.
Heh. *bows* Thank you! I even have a 51,000 word novella exploring the beginnings of Alain. The set-up is non canon and I wrote it for NaNoWriMo, but Alain completely stole my heart. (And... yeah... you can kinda insert 'Javert' every time you see 'Alain'. It's a bit OOC for him, but it's still a passable resemblance)
If you ever want to read it, just PM/e-mail me and I'll send you a copy. I'm still fishing for feedback.
YKYOWJW: You're looking for a new job and your first search is in the Police. You reject the 'Investigation of Police bureau' option because you don't want policemen to hate you. And you are trying to buy a black overcoat. (and seriously considering the purchase of snuff... much like Bramblefox, you just want to be able to say you have some) |
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| Catherine |
-When you assume Javert HAS to live in the cottage near you in Wales simply because the nameplate reads "Ty lawr" | ||||||
| Bramblefox |
AH! Ty lawr?? *falls over laughing* That's great!
Hmm...YKYOWJW: --You think real police uniforms would be so much cooler if they had double-breasted jackets with short tails, a cravat, and a black top hat. --You're tempted to make a Javert doll so you can glomp him at every moment. *sobs* --You have every intention of making a Javert costume from scratch... --You're going to teach yourself to sew in order to do the above. |
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| Brunnhilde |
A policeman stops you and asks for your papers, and finds everything in order, and you watch him with fangirlish gaze... and driving away, you watch him from the mirror. And begin to sing the Suicide. Aloud. | ||||||
| Bramblefox |
Oh man...if I ever got pulled over I probably would do that. Unfortunately I can't get pulled over because if I do I get my license revoked. It's not my fault, I only get two chances!!! *panic*
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| lesmisloony |
Have done, but you don't need to learn to sew. Just buy a big navy blue trench coat and a pair of sturdy boots from a thrift shop. And a top hat from a Halloween shop. Whole thing only cost me about twenty-five bucks. |
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| lizavert |
YKYOWJW...
-When listening to the musical, you never really recover after the Suicide. -When reading the Brick, you have a tendency to stop reading when you've finished Javert off the Track. Because, well... I'm not going to say it. I should stop listening to the CSR at work. |
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| Brunnhilde |
Guilty. I always stop reading for a few days after his death. I see no sense to read the rest... especially not Valjean's OOC and stupid and annoyinbg reaction!
He deserved what he got at the end. For this. YKYAOWJW: You play him in an RPG. http://s1.zetaboards.com/Obscurite_Musicale/index/ Hey, come, guys, we need more characters. |
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| Moci |
I hate to disappoint you, but it basically means "The Earth House" or 'Ground House" I think, so not really Javert-like. |
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| Catherine |
...I knew it didn't actually mean "The law"
Its just you can't listen to Quast singing "I am the lawr and the lawr is not mocked" without automatically placing "lawr" with Javert. |
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| Moci |
Oh, I didn't get it, what with it actually being pronounced as if it rhymes with 'flour'. Oops.
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| Sythar |
Eh - this annoyed me so much that I wrote an entire story about Valjean's reaction that Hugo didn't mention. Which took the logical view that Javert was Valjean's last friggin' peer, a person who had been around for most of his life, and there's no way he's gonna just shrug that off!! I blame Hugo though, not Valjean.
Done and done. I'm going for Valjean. |
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| annoynmouse |
If there's one thing about the Brick that irks me, it's Valjean's reaction.  Maybe he had more thoughts and Hugo forgot to write them down. The way it is in the book though, I find it completely OOC.
*waves sheepishly* I've actually already taken Valjean! My apologies! |
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| lesmisloony |
(And it's awesome.) |
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| Sythar |
Aww...
Thanks Loony! *hugs* |
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| Bramblefox |
Well, I have a trenchcoat (hand-me-down) and boots, have yet to get a top hat; I mean make the pants and the top and everything. I've got eh cloth and everything, I'm just too afraid to start. YKYOWJW: --You buy makeup (though you never wear any yourself) so you can paint sideburns on your face. Case in point: http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/112.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/113-1.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/ErikandMia/115.jpg |
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| Brunnhilde |
YKYAOWJW
You see this on devart's main page, enlarge it and giggle for about five minutes... http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs36/300W/f/2008/245/d/b/The_Boy__s_Gone_by_muchlikefalling.png |
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| lesmisloony |
And I made sideburns of faux fur and duct tape. |