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Orestes Fasting |
I can see how it would be boring or confusing to someone with a hazy grasp of French history (such as me when I first read the book). But that doesn't make it useless--in fact, even a basic grasp of what had happened politically since the Revolution makes the book so much richer and more interesting. |
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Have a little priest! |
I never said it was useless. |
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Orestes Fasting |
I wasn't trying to say you did. Just agreeing that the history can seem boring to a layman, which by no means makes it less valuable. | ||||||
lottielou22 |
My cousin's convinced that Javert is a crack addict, too...
I found the TAC at my grampa's house when I was about 10 and watched it because I thought that, since it was French and about a Revolution Marie Antoinette would be in it. (I sort of had a fixation.) |
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Cato |
My first wife once asked: "So this is made of that Gorky play?"
I was like WTF, then I understood she meant The Lower Depths. God. |
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Have a little priest! |
Yesterday, everyone in my language arts class had to bring something French that we really liked. I brought the Brick (of course) and first, everyone thought it was a Bible. Then, my teacher thought it took place during the French Revolution. Then, this discussion happened.
Me: This book is about a man who steals a loaf of bread-- A guy in the class: I like bread! --later-- My teacher: So, this is about poor people-- Same guy:--who like bread! It was funnier when it happened than it looks written down. |
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Orestes Fasting |
Bringing up Les Mis in French class does tend to make for amusing reactions... today my French class was going over "Le Cygne" by Baudelaire and the teacher was prodding us about the metaphors, which led to this:
Teacher: (despairingly) So is there anything else this reminds you of? Orestes: Well, while we're talking about Victor Hugo, there was totally that one scene in Les MIs�rables where Gavroche's two little brothers are starving in the park while the rich guy is feeding the swans, and I think that really echoes the alienation of the rising bourgeois domination-- Everyone else: ................... Teacher: ............... Orestes: .....? Teacher: Oh yes, I hadn't thought of that. Moving on now. Now that I'm back at my computer and I can check my dates, I realize that scene was probably Hugo's shoutout to Baudelaire and not the other way around. But the blank looks were priceless. Actually I think I scare my French class. We've been studying Haussmann's renovations of Paris, and while everyone else was talking about promenades on the grands boulevards and public parks and department stores and gas lamps, I was breaking in with things like "You know why those roads are wide and straight and paved, right? Because you can't march troops and cannon down a winding medieval street, and you can't build a barricade on a giant boulevard with no paving stones!" and "And then there was the cholera. And the sewer system. Oh boy, the sewer system." |
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teapot |
Orestes, I LOVE it! | ||||||
curlyhairedsoprano91 |
This probably belongs in a misheard/misinterpreted lyrics thread, but as we don't have one of those ... my brother was convinced that Javert said "Monsieur le Mer" instead of "Monsieur le Mayor."
"You know ... mer... cause he's a convict on the run, and he's shifty. Like the sea." |
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PqA |
I think that many of us here sympathize with you. I don't know whether to offer my condolences or my applaud. Possibly both. Also? The same kind of thing happened to me today... funnily enough. History Teacher in Training: "One of the reasons Paris was so unsanitary in the early to mid 1800's was that there was no sewer system." PqA: "Yes, there was. They just weren't available to everyone." (Struggling not to go into cardiac arrest... seriously, he was so off.) History Teacher in Training: "No, you must be thinking of something else. (*looks nervously at the real History Teacher, whose nose is conveniently glued to his computer screen.) PqA: "Actually, (and I really wasn't trying to show him up, or argue, but it annoys me when kids are taught something incorrectly.) The sewers were already in existence since--" History Teacher in Training: (Trying to pull the usually fool proof teacher trick,) I tell you what; find proof, bring it in, and I will admit I'm wrong." PqA: "I have proof." (whips out Brick, and starts flipping through the pages.) HTiT: Wha-... what is that? PqA: "Oh, nothing... Got it! 'Napoleon built 4 804 metres, Lois XVIII built 5 709, Charles X 10 836, Louis-Phillipe 89 020, the Republic of 1848 23 381, and the present regime has built 70 500; in all, at this date, 226 610 metres, or 60 leagues of sewers, constitute the vast entrails in Paris.'" HTiT: I don't like the metric system. . . . . . . |
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Vice |
I ALWAYS do this in class. (Mainly not Les Mis realated as I'm only about a 1/4 through the brick right now.) |
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High-baritonne |
This really reminds me of a substitute we had in musical history about a week ago. He insisted on many stupid things, mostly that Mamma Mia!, We Will Rock You, and Lion King were the three longest running shows ever on Broadway. He also claimed that Chess was one of the biggest musicals ever to be played on Broadway, and he said that it had been playing there for several years. The most silly thing about that teacher was that he had never heard music from Les Mis�rables, and he told me to stop interrupting him in class unless I wanted to be sent to the principal. Then he began calling me smart-ace in front of class instead of my real name, in the end I just told him that he was a moron and that he should never be permitted to teach. He stormed out of the classroom in a rage.. |
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lesmisloony |
That. Is too hilarious. |
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Melpomene |
It's a common mistake, but I cannot count the number of people I've encountered who think Les Mis is about the French Revolution | ||||||
EponineMNFF |
My English/Spanish (yeah, he's awesome) teacher and I argued about that for about an hour. He finally looked it up online and was like, "...Oh. Sorry." Triumphant moment in the life of Abby. |
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bigR |
I was one of those people. I had read/studied extracts of the Brick at school. And still, somehow, I was surprised to find out when I went to see the musical that the story didn't happen during the french revolution. I guess I didn't pay so much attention in class, but in my excuse, Enjolras' speech, when studied completely out of context, can be sooo boring... |
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Vice |
Like my mom? (Who has seen it actually...) |
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Catherine |
So I had a rather... interesting discussion with my parents today, and they have come up with a rather... different synopsis, which is all different kinds of wrong.
And I quote Me: So Dad, do you still wanna read Les Mis? Dad: But I'm reading Oliver Twist now! Me: But I want you to know all the characters Mum: We know all the characters already! Me: OK, who's the main character then? Mum: Valjohn. And he falls in love with... Me: Valjean doesn't fall in love!! Mum: Javert! Me: Dad: And they run away together, and become gay lovers Mum: And they have a lovechild called... Epo9 Me: Dad: And then there's the Master of the House Mum: And he's a good guy Dad: He's the hero really Me: Mum: And he saves Valjohn from certain death Me: Dad: Yeah, he was gonna give him some bad meat and stuff (props to him for knowing the song I guess) but he doesn't, and he saves him from food poisoning Mum: And they all live happily ever after! Dad: And that's the end! Me: |
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fjays |
Your parents sound hilarious!!
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Catherine |
It was very funny, imagining Thenardier saving Valjean's life and such.
And I swear they don't read fanfiction or anything, so how they came up with the Javert theory, I have no idea. |
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lesmisloony |
Catherine, obviously your awesomeness was hereditary. | ||||||
Ulla Dance Again! |
Catherine, that is a priceless conversation.
Not exactly silly but rather a funny commentary on "Empty Chairs..." by my mother, as she was watching the promotional video for Ogunquit's production (which has "Empty Chairs..." as a featured song); after a frustrated sigh, she says, "There's Marius again. He's all bummed out 'cause his friends are dead. Why can't he just buck up and deal with it?" And then there was a conversation I had about all the subtext in the show, but I can't seem to remember it. |
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Fantine |
Wow Catherine, your parents are amazing | ||||||
lizavert |
Catherine:And I thought my family was bad. Yeesh.
Anyway. My Mom recently made the infamous ALW mistake. Luckily my Grandfather was there to correct her before I could go on an extended rant in public. |
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Melpomene |
Oh my Miz.
I told one of my friends, a self-proclaimed Les Mis fanatic, that I would be in the show through community theatre. We proceed to rejoice and sing various songs together over the phone. Her: YES! One more day to revolution, we will nip it in the butt, we'll be... Me: WHAT?! No...no... |
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Disney-Bway27 |
Ha, my sister does that. Speaking of my sister, I was re-watching the Dream Cast tape and it was at "Castle on a Cloud." The same sister decided to watch a little bit, and when Mme. Thenardier (sp?) came on, she said, "Wait, is that Eponine?" And I was like lolwut? |
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PqA |
Ha, yeah. TAC bloopers are awesome. One happened just a couple of minutes ago and I had to come on and share it.
I just finished watching the Hugh Panaro/ Paul Schoeffler version of Les Mis. And anyway, I had just gotten past the Final Battle, which always makes me tear up a bit. So, my six year old cousin comes in and asked me what was the matter. ME: Oh, nothing. It's just that a rather sad thing just happened. (And I pointed to the screen. She looked at me, then the screen, then me.) HER: What? ME: Some very brave people just died. HER: Oh... Is this a play? ME: Yes. HER: (patting me on the head.) Then you don't have to worry... THey aren't really dead! Being little simplifies EVERYTHING. |
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Vice |
Awwwwwwwww.... That's ADORABLE. |
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annoynmouse |
Awww. |
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PqA |
It was really that cute... She is an awesome little kid. | ||||||
What you own |
For our school play where doing B-way through the years. So pretty much a whole buch of random songs from B-way but together. (I 'm singing ten minutes ago form Cinderella) So anyway, where at rehersals and our teacher is giveing out the music to all the leads.
Well the one girl who got COAC said something like "ohh I'm playing Casette." or somethine about "Casette". Me: "Cosette such a great part. I love Les Miz" Stupid Girl: *very rude and persistent* "CASETTE I've seen the show. Its definatly CAsette. Me: *Dumbfouned and haveing no clue what to say and not wanting to get into fight with very stupid girl" My friends behind me where laughing there heads off. Since the look on my face was priceless. prob. something like this... The best was at rehersal the next day. She kept complaining about how she was goign to be all dirty and dressed in rags and wanted to know if she could switch for another song. (Some one who could say COSETTE!!! EVEN AFTER SEEING THE PLAY!!) P.s Hi!! everyone here on the Les Miz Forums *waves* This is my first post ot the Les Miz fourms. I mostly stay in the RENT forums. and please excuse any spelling mistakes. |
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Quique |
I feel like getting a screwdriver, placing it over a flame, then sticking it in my eye every time I hear someone pronounce it like that. |
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Orestes Fasting |
I have this urge to stab things whenever actors pronounce it "COHHHH-sette." I know it's probably because the music director is on their back about enunciation, but seriously man, the first syllable should not rhyme with "mow" right down to the Americanized dipththong. | ||||||
bigR |
One of the friends who came to see Les Mis in London a couple of weeks ago (and found it waaay too long):
"I was so happy when everybody started dying. Because I though, good, the earlier you all die, the earlier this will be over. If there is nobody left they can't keep on singing for ever. And then... oh, no my god, the ghosts can sing too!" I found it more funny than silly, actually. At least I laughed a lot when he told me after the show. |
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Ulkis |
That's a pet peeve of mine too - I'd rather it be Cuh-sette than C-oh-sette if not the proper pronunciation, but I guess if they say Mare-i-us than C-oh-sette really isn't that bad. |
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Disney-Bway27 |
The joy of musicals! |
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Vanessa20 |
Just wondering... how would you write the proper pronunciation phonetically? I'd like to make sure that I've been pronouncing it right. (I don't say Cuh-sette, by the way, or Mare-i-us) |
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Ulkis |
I have no idea. I do say Marius the way they say it in English adaptations; it sounds weird when people pronounce it properly when they're speaking English for some reason; too jarring, I guess. |
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SmallTownIngenue |
This is what our Eponine's friend said after the show:
Friend: Well the show was amazing, but what were those weird round things on the main character's heads? Is that some weird French thing or what? Eponine: Those were are microphones. |
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mastachen |
I'm so used to saying Cosette with the long 'o' that saying C'uh'sette takes a mental effort to do. I don't really understand the difference between the two. Mare-ius and Mar-ius I understand better because they sound drastically different. | ||||||
AyuChan90 |
omg that's hillarious!! xDD even though it is quite sad, but i just can't stop laughing... x) |
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lesmisloony |
http://lesmis.com/pages/about/les_miz_eh_rahb.htm
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What you own |
Thank you soooo much for that! I found that once then I forgot the site it was on or how to get to it *Note to self add to favourites* I have to say I'm reading the brick now and most of the pronunctions I got. (Mostly becuase they where said in the muiscal) But Enjolras confused me! I saw that and my face was something like this And Thenardier confused me. I always want to say ER at the end of it. Gavorche the 1st time I saw it I was a bit confused. But after look at it for a very long time I figured it out. |
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jdeng |
Do you hear the people sream,
Sreaming a song of spiderman? It is the noise of a people Who will not be scared again! When the beating of your heart Echoes the beating of his drums, There is a death about to start When a spider comes! Out of nowhere, my kid has recently started singing the song in this creapy way... |
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lesmisloony |
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4612857/1/Do_You_Hear_ManSpider_Singr What *is* this horrible fad? |
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Eponine23 |
After a Beauty and the Beast rehearsal, one of my friends and I were debating whether or not we should do Les Mis next year, and she said, "Well, it would be fun, but I don't think we would because of the prostitution themes. We wouldn't be able to have matinees so the drama department would lose money."
Another friend: "Wait, there's prostitution?" It turns out he hadn't seen the show, but I'd been under the impression he had, because he randomly sings things to the tune of Master of the House and acted like he knew exactly what was going on when I was talking about it with a couple of other friends at lunch the week before. Oh, and my mom: "You liked the orphan girl the best? I liked Dr. 91210." Me: "Her name is Eponine. And Dr. 91210 isn't even in Les Mis. Who are you talking about?" My mom: "The guy who stole the bread." Me: "That's Jean Valjean." My mom: "I thought he had a number..." Me: "That's 24601." My mom: "You're weird." Me: "No, not really." At school when I was Eponine for Halloween: Not-too-bright girl: "What are you supposed to be? An orphan boy?" And I was even wearing a skirt. |
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jdeng |
Thanks Lesmisloony.
I knew my 5 year-old could not have made that up himself. |
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MariekeLovesEnjolras |
" No! You must be kidding! Is Enjolras really dying in that musical?! " | ||||||
Orestes Fasting |
Someone knew Enjolras' name, but didn't know he died? Wow, that's impressive. I mean, I could understand thinking the show is about the French Revolution and not expecting the revolution to fail and everyone to get shot... but Enjolras' name isn't exactly obvious in the show.
On the Coh-sette/Cuh-sette issue: well, yes, it's a long 'o,' but it's not stressed so it's okay to let it drop to schwa a little. And what really bugs me is when the 'COhh-sette' gets overemphasized and the American o-u diphthong creeps in. |
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MariekeLovesEnjolras |
That's cos I'm talking about Enjolras all day and I compare every patriotic guy in any movie to Enjolras! Anyone who knows me, knows Enjolras.. That's why my screenname is MariekeLovesEnjolras | ||||||
Elbow |
Not so much said or asked, but the other night, a good preportion of the audience attempted to clap when the students died on the barracade. This left me nonplussed. | ||||||
jdeng |
This has raised a very interesting / silly question, i.e., when should the audience applaud?
Some clapping points are quite obvious such as when Valjean tears up the yellow ticket, at the end of Confrontation and Bring Him Home. So are some non-clapping points, such as when Fantine and Eponine die. However, other points are not so obvious, such as after I Dreamed a Dream (for it is Fantine�s biggest number, we should applaud; for the tragic mood, we should not). Also, we have to bear in mind the first time audience, who do not know what will happen next. The last point to consider is that, if there are too many cheers, many audience may end up missing their last trains/buses home. By the way, do the theatres put someone there to initiate cheers? |
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Elbow |
I think silences innitiate applauses, or say, lights dimming, or when the cast freezes after a song, if that makes sense? Whereas, if a song starts the moment a song has finished, or if the cast carry on acting and going into the next song, you know not to clap... I don't know. It's a difficult question. It seems to just come naturally. | ||||||
MariekeLovesEnjolras |
Same happened to me yesterday! |
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Ulla Dance Again! |
When I went back to see Les Mis in Ogunquit (twice) I initiated some clapping. It was the scene where everyone is dead on the barricade, just as Javert crosses over, right before the barricade is pulled back. The first time I started to clap, everyone around me joined. The second time, however, only a few people started to clap and then everyone applauded as the intro for "Dog Eats Dog" played. That's a tricky part to clap for, though, because if you clap too soon you don't have time to register what happened (even though you could be seeing the show for thirtieth time) and if you clap too late you could be almost cutting into Thenardier's song. Another iffy clapping part of the show is when Valjean picks up Cosette and spins her around, right before they jaunt off to Paris. Although, I think it depends on the audience. Some people are inclined to go, "Aww!" and start applauding. |
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Orestes Fasting |
Typical applause points are after Valjean's Soliloquy, I Dreamed a Dream, sometimes after Who Am I, sometimes after the Confrontation, Master of the House, occasionally after the Waltz of Treachery, Stars, Gavroche's lines after Stars sometimes get a smattering of applause if the kid is cute, Red and Black, A Heart Full of Love, One Day More, On My Own, sometimes after A Little Fall of Rain (but rarely--usually for a final performance or something), Bring Him Home, occasional applause for the dead students or for Enjolras dangling from the barricade, Javert's Suicide if the actor gives a particularly fine performance, usually Empty Chairs (though sometimes the conductor moves on to Every Day before it has a chance to sink in), sometimes Every Day in recognition of that high C, Beggars at the Feast, and the finale.
This is just what I've observed, mind. I don't personally object to applause at serious/sad points in the show, but I could see where someone might find it inappropriate to clap at a death scene. And of course all bets are off on final performances/cast change days. Then even the Bishop gets an ovation. |
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Elbow |
People clap at the students death? I've seen it many many times, and only once have I ever experienced people clapping at that. It just seemed a tad odd. | ||||||
Orestes Fasting |
It doesn't happen very often, but I've heard it a few times. | ||||||
Elbow |
That's pretty funny. Must be the dramatic-ness of the scene. It would never occur to me to applaud at that because I'm always crying by that point... | ||||||
Ulla Dance Again! |
I think it may have something to do with the music. It's so sweeping and epic - that last refrain before the barricade is pulled back - that somehow the audience is swept up with it. Or it could be a particular production because every other time I've seen the show that scene has never provoked me to clap...just the times when I saw it in Ogunquit. | ||||||
SmallTownIngenue |
The biggest applause when I did the show (aside from the curtain call) was during Little People. The audience loved Gavroche. | ||||||
actor |
An American at the London production: "I can't understand what they're saying!" | ||||||
Elbow |
HA! Oh dear... | ||||||
Orestes Fasting |
I couldn't either... the Queens is very echoey, at least where I was sitting, and JOJ's enunciation was, shall we say, not very crisp. | ||||||
actor |
^ JOJ wasn't on. And I think they were refering to the accents. | ||||||
lesmisloony |
Bah, I tried to show my mom a clip of The I.T. Crowd yesterday and she said she couldn't understand anything the actors were saying. Due to their accents.
But I think she's extremely slow. |
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Freya |
To be fair, Ayoade does have an odd voice... |
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eponine5 |
My friend about a year after she saw the show :
Her: Marius is so pointless, he doesn't do anything Me: To be fair he did go to the barricades Her: What? No he didn't! |
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lesmisloony |
BAHahahaha! Wowww. | ||||||
Disney-Bway27 |
My mom has seen the show three times. She still has no idea what it's about.
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Vanessa20 |
Who did she think that person who got shot and who Valjean carried through the sewers was?! Grantaire? |
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Disney-Bway27 |
Judging by the person's comment about Marius, she probably wouldn't be able to differentiate Grantaire and Gavroche from a lineup... |
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eponine5 |
Trouble is, she refused any of my offers to explain anything to her before and after the show. What can you do? | ||||||
Artemis Entreri |
My second wife during Confrontation:
"So... why don't they just throw the hoor out of the bed and use it?" Me: Later, during AHFOL: ""I thought these Christian women wore prettier dresses." The sad thing is it's true. |
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Vice |
While explaining Les Mis to a friend, I was trying to explain that "Yes, All Valjean did was steal bread." and she said this:
"Was it golden bread?" I know she was joking, but... wat? |
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SylvieProuvaire |
My friend and I were talking to my mom about what songs we were using for the musical auditions, and this happened:
My Friend: I'm singing Empty Chairs at Empty Tables Me: Yeah, he's singing from the bridge to the end. Mom: Wait...I thought Javert sung from the bridge... |
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curlyhairedsoprano91 |
UM I LOVE YOUR MOTHER. That's so awesome. |
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Artemis Entreri |
A friend of mine (computer expert) is reading Les Mis. He told me:
"Javert is like Windows. When he meets an anomaly, he can't handle it and freezes." Said this after the "dismissal" scene... |
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Vice |
... So... Does this mean Jean's a Mac? *shot* |
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EponineBarker |
LOL That just made my evening. |
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Vice |
JVJ: I'm a mac. J: ... and I'm a PC. ... THIS NEEDS FANART. |
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Artemis Entreri |
And my friend hasn't even read AmZ's hilarious Robot!Javert fic. | ||||||
wtfchuck |
"Who am i?... Who am i...? I'M A MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC!!!" | ||||||
Oli-Ol |
My cousin was listening to the OLC recording for the first time and couldn't understand half of the lyrics.
Example: JVJ: My name is Jean Valjean Javert: And I'm O'SAVEY (wtf???) And she also swears blind that Eponine is the one Marius loves and that he pretends to love Cosette to get back at Valjean... not quite sure how she worked that one out from one listening of the show! |
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Fantine |
When watching the TAC last sunday, my dad called Valjean, Valjert. He made my day. | ||||||
Quique |
I like your dad. |
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mezzogeek |
A conversation I had with my sister today -
Her: What's Marius' surname? Me: Pontmercy... You know, like in A Heart Full of Love. He goes 'My name is Marius Pontmercy.' Her: (after a long pause) Ooooooh.... that's what that word is! Me: What did you think it was? Her: I don't know... I thought it meant 'Nice to meet you' or something like that in French... So, what's Enjolras' surname? Me: Enjolras. Her: What? |
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lesmisloony |
Hahaha, that's a great one. Just don't tell her Enj's first name is Apollo... | ||||||
Orestes Fasting |
Lies! His full name is Michel Gabriel Raphael Uriel Jean-Jacques Even-My-Piss-Is-Tricolor Enjolras. |
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mezzogeek |
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Artemis Entreri |
Raphael sounds pretty good for Enjolras, without kidding. I associate of blonde pastel renessaince angels/virgins from this word.
But apparently, people in Les Mis are not in a need of first names. Even a police Inspector can run around with one name... what was maybe a Frenchified (does a word like this exit?) Spanish first name? (I mean Javier - maybe his father's or grandfather's original name.) |
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Ulla Dance Again! |
From a conversation I had with a friend today:
(after explaining how everyone pretty much dies on the barricade) Friend: This show sounds emo. Me: Well, one of the characters, Eponine, is a whiny little emo bitch who follows Marius around going 'WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME, MARIUS? WHHHHHY?' ...and then she dies. Friend: Aw, it's so sad when the cute emo character dies. For the record, I was joking, so no attacks stating "OMG U DONT NO EPO9111!!11" |
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MariekeLovesEnjolras |
During history class
me "Let's organize a crusade against the economics teacher!" classmate "YEA! They had crusades in Les Mis right?" me "No.. That were barricades.." |
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Artemis Entreri |
But there was their crusade which you could join in! | ||||||
Melpomene |
classmate "YEA! They had crusades in Les Mis right?"
me "No.. That were barricades.." --- Well... I can kinda understand that. I mean they do sing "will you join in our crusade, who will be strong and stand with me?" |
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jackrussell |
There is SO much scope for an emo parody of Les Mis! Has it been done, does anyone know? |
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Mistress |
I think this is another job for Monsieur D'Arque, no?
That would be so funny, Emo Les Mis...all the male characters should have the emo hair swoop |
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Jaym |
YES! That would be so brilliant! Someone please write that XD | ||||||
Yakko |
I was thinking of something like Les Mizzel! |