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Fantine	OMG, that is soooo silly.
Quique	"John Val-John," lol. Why don't these people get their facts straight before? A very simple Google search would've revealed who sings the darn song.
Ulla Dance Again!	Wait, what? This entire time I've been lied to. Valjean must have been dressed as a woman!
UKDeer42	It's bad. So bad. In fact it's almost as bad as saying it's an Andrew Lloyd Webber show or that Susan Boyle wrote the song herself. [EDIT] I wonder... does he have Tara Gilesbie (the author of the infamous "My Immortal" Harry Potter fanfiction which claims all the characters are Good Charlotte loving goths, the pain causing spell is "Crookshanks" and Tom Bombadil becomes Voldemort) working in his research department?
MlleTholomy�s	UKDeer42 wrote: I wonder... does he have Tara Gilesbie (the author of the infamous "My Immortal" Harry Potter fanfiction which claims all the characters are Good Charlotte loving goths, the pain causing spell is "Crookshanks" and Tom Bombadil becomes Voldemort) working in his research department? OH LORD, HOW I LOVED THAT FIC. It's a true shame that they took it down from ff.net. The reviews were the best part.
Proud Dork	This conversation took place after my mom walked into the room while I was watching the TAC: Mom: Oh, yeah, Lay Mizz-rah-blay again. Me: *pronounces it correctly* Mom: Y'know, it's times like these I wish you were only obsessed with stuff that's easier to pronounce, like Phantom of the Opera. Or Barney. *receiving my somewhat weirded out look* But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen, right?
jdeng	The silliest things you've heard people say/ask NOT about LM Last Friday, my wife took our son to watch The King and I in the Royal Albert Hall. It was the 5 year old's first live theatre experience, and my wife asked if he really understood the show. "Of course" he said, "but who is the I". I know that I should post this piece in the King and I forum, but it is inactive there. A far-fetched excuse is that the TAC took place in the RAH.
marlalp	I came across a rather amusingly misguided plot summary of the musical. http://www.youngwizards.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20974&postcount=99 Some highlights: Quote: It's basically the story of Valjean, a man who is sent to prison for stealing a loaf of bread. He is sentenced to several years in the mines and- amazingly- survives it to be released. AMAZINGLY Valjean survives "several" years in the mines. Good thing he wasn't in there for like, 19 years or something. Quote: He is invited to rest by a bishop and steals all the silverware before running away, despite the bishop's kindness to him. He is hunted down and arrested by Javert, the Chief of Police, a man with a far-too-rigid moral code who hates Valjean. How odd that Valjean would be arrested by a prison guard, rather than Digne's own police. Oh wait I forgot, Javert IS the ubiquitous Chief of Police of All of France. Quote: Javert drags him before the bishop saying, basically, "here is this thief who stole your silver, good bishop. He's a wrongdoing thief; you shouldn't have been so nice." That's right, Javert, you tell that stupid bishop! Quote: There is a sequence of confused events, yada yada- and then Javert (remember him? Chief inspector?) sees the mayor do something which connects him with escaped convict Valjean. But Javert can't prove it. So he arrnages to trial a man who looks something like Valjean and tells the mayor so- knowing that the mayor's honour would lead him to reveal himself. Very clever, Inspector. Cause there was no chance that Valjean, a man who Javert considers to be of the poorest moral fibre, would have let Champmathieu take the fall. Plus the easiest way to identify a potential ex-con is always to stage an elaborate set up involving the court, multiple witnesses, and a decoy defendant. Quote: BUT they are arrested by Javert- who, racked with guilt, lets them go and then shoots himself, because he's all confused. (Long story.) Sometimes, when you're too confused to find a proper bridge to jump off of, the only choice is to shoot yourself. Quote: Love that musical, but I left out all the dirty bits. Indeed, as well as the accurate bits...
curlyhairedsoprano91	^ LOL!!!
MlleTholomy�s	"Cosette falls in love with.. oh god, I can't remember his name, but he's a revolutionary (there is a subplot with a very cool character called Eponine here.) There is a mess of confused plots but Cosette falls in with the revolutionaries, and so does her "father." This paragraph sums up everything that can go wrong with summaries.
lesmisloony	Quote: Meanwhile Valjean meets Fantine dying in a cell of TB and promises to hel her daughter. Best mental image ever? I like to read "hel" as "heal" or "hell" just for the fun of it. And I like to think of that sentence in as many ways as I can. It's even ambiguous who's dying!
Lola-Grace	lesmisloony wrote: Meanwhile Valjean meets Fantine dying in a cell of TB and promises to hel her daughter. ...helicopter her daughter to safety away from the Viet Cong? Les Mis is the one about Vietnam right?
What you own	Lola-Grace wrote: lesmisloony wrote: Meanwhile Valjean meets Fantine dying in a cell of TB and promises to hel her daughter. ...helicopter her daughter to safety away from the Viet Cong? Les Mis is the one about Vietnam right? I don't know if you are kidding (Hopefully) or serious.
marlalp	What you own wrote: Lola-Grace wrote: lesmisloony wrote: Meanwhile Valjean meets Fantine dying in a cell of TB and promises to hel her daughter. ...helicopter her daughter to safety away from the Viet Cong? Les Mis is the one about Vietnam right? I don't know if you are kidding (Hopefully) or serious. Unless she is the author of the above-referenced review, I'm sure she's kidding.
Lola-Grace	marlalp wrote: What you own wrote: Lola-Grace wrote: lesmisloony wrote: Meanwhile Valjean meets Fantine dying in a cell of TB and promises to hel her daughter. ...helicopter her daughter to safety away from the Viet Cong? Les Mis is the one about Vietnam right? I don't know if you are kidding (Hopefully) or serious. Unless she is the author of the above-referenced review, I'm sure she's kidding. Yes, I'm definately kidding, don't worry Although I was talking to a woman in the interval toilet queue last week who thought she was at Miss Saigon up until the show started... And then afterwards I saw her again and she said she didn't like it. DIDN'T LIKE IT!!! I sort of felt personally offended at that
What you own	Lola-Grace wrote: marlalp wrote: What you own wrote: Lola-Grace wrote: lesmisloony wrote: Meanwhile Valjean meets Fantine dying in a cell of TB and promises to hel her daughter. ...helicopter her daughter to safety away from the Viet Cong? Les Mis is the one about Vietnam right? I don't know if you are kidding (Hopefully) or serious. Unless she is the author of the above-referenced review, I'm sure she's kidding. Yes, I'm definately kidding, don't worry Although I was talking to a woman in the interval toilet queue last week who thought she was at Miss Saigon up until the show started... And then afterwards I saw her again and she said she didn't like it. DIDN'T LIKE IT!!! I sort of felt personally offended at that Oh thank God! I'm sorry it was late and I can't always read sarcasm....
Lola-Grace	What you own wrote: Oh thank God! I'm sorry it was late and I can't always read sarcasm.... See, I'm just a naturally sarcastic person. So in writing I always come across as either an idiot or a total bitch
MlleTholomy�s	The thing that gets me is that she uses the Marjolras stereotype--and then spells his name wrong. God, I'm stupid. Marjolras, Marjolras, Marjolras.
curlyhairedsoprano91	MlleTholomy�s wrote: The thing that gets me is that she uses the Marjorlas stereotype--and then spells his name wrong. Dial I for Irony.
MlleTholomy�s	I was listening to the Australia Day (shh, it was the only one I had on hand) cast in my car with my brother, and through out the whole thing, he criticised it. Gem one: "Is that a man, or a woman?" "Don't mock Marius." "So a girl?" Gem two: During Red and Black, he went: "I can't distingush the voices. They all sound the same." " . . . Anthony Warlow sounds the same as whiny!Marius?" Three: "Go back to the one with that made me feel sexy." "What?" "The one with the women." "Lovely Ladies?" "Yeah."
The Russian	I think it's dumb as hell that people think the show is about/takes place during the French Revolution.
Jolllly	^ Agreed Where do people even get that idea? What I especially *looove* is when people see me reading the book and try to pronounce the title--not only wrongly, but super sexily with some type of accent. But then at the same time, I like telling a confident person just how wrong they really are too. lol.
Jaym	Technically it's not about Les Mis, but one of my colleagues said: "I'm not a student, I'm a citizen." (My brain: So... students aren't citizens? Don't mention that to Enjolras.... Speaking of colleagues; one of my colleagues is called Michel l'Amie. Another looks JUST like Enjolras: blue eyes, blonde hair, he looks much younger than he actually is.... and he also shares his last name with Dutch!Enjolras)
KatyRoseLand	A few silly / terrible things I've heard: My sister: What's with that stupid jump David Thaxton does? He looks like a spider crawled up his trouser leg and he can't get it out. Me: Did you... did you just insult The Legs? Get out of here. And at the stage door, talking to Jonathan Williams who had just been on as Valjean - Girl: Has Valjean come out yet? Jonathan Williams: Um, sorry, Jean Valjean? Girl: Yeah, has he come out yet? Jonathan Williams: ... That was me. Awkward! And not the first time I've heard it, either. He was really nice about it though, he said "Well, I suppose it's a good thing that I don't look old like that in real life!" Another time at the stage door, David Shannon had just walked away after signing programmes and stuff, and this conversation took place: Girl: Has the tall Valjean come out yet? Me: You just met Valjean... Girl: No, the tall one. The one at the beginning. Me: They're played by the same person, actually. Girl: No, the tall Valjean. With the really long hair. Me: Yeah... you just talked to him. Valjean is played by the same person throughout the show. At this point she rolled her eyes and turned away from me, clearly disgusted by the fact that I couldn't even work out that two different people played Valjean. One tall person and one short person, apparently.
Orestes Fasting	Ouch. Although not quite as bad as the person who thought prologue Valjean was played by the same actor as Enjolras... Yeah, for serious. I'm pretty sure that was when Max von Essen was playing Enjolras too.
Eppie-Sue	KatyRoseLand wrote: My sister: What's with that stupid jump David Thaxton does? He looks like a spider crawled up his trouser leg and he can't get it out. Me: Did you... did you just insult The Legs? Get out of here. ... That has so qualify as the silliest thing people have said about Les Mis. *pouts*
KatyRoseLand	I know, right?! She also once said "I don't get why you like him so much, his hair is so greasy". Sigh. She just has no taste.
lesmisloony	Orestes Fasting wrote: Ouch. Although not quite as bad as the person who thought prologue Valjean was played by the same actor as Enjolras... Yeah, for serious. I'm pretty sure that was when Max von Essen was playing Enjolras too. Hahaha, now I'm trying to figure out whether there would be some sort of reason for the show to set up a parallel between those two. Why am I doing this? Because I'm that far gone, apparently.
Orestes Fasting	KatyRoseLand wrote: I know, right?! She also once said "I don't get why you like him so much, his hair is so greasy". Sigh. She just has no taste. She should've seen Simon Bailey, then...
Eppie-Sue	Sh-she insulted THE HAIR?
Orestes Fasting	lesmisloony wrote: Orestes Fasting wrote: Ouch. Although not quite as bad as the person who thought prologue Valjean was played by the same actor as Enjolras... Yeah, for serious. I'm pretty sure that was when Max von Essen was playing Enjolras too. Hahaha, now I'm trying to figure out whether there would be some sort of reason for the show to set up a parallel between those two. Why am I doing this? Because I'm that far gone, apparently. Looking for parallels in which roles the actors double is just going to make your head hurt. Let alone the Broadway revival tracking, which had the Claquesous actor playing the Bishop of Digne, Combeferre playing Bamatabois, Montparnasse as Bahorel (and the judge in Champmathieu's trial), Grantaire as the drunk in Master of the H--okay that one makes sense, never mind.
Eppie-Sue	I figured out a few weeks ago that the London!Enjolras parts are like a ladder... and he's continually working his way up. See: Convict Poor man Factory worker Policeman (during Fantine's Arrest) Judge Enjolras this theory was kind-of destroyed when I noticed that he also plays the waiter during the wedding scene xD but still.
MlleTholomy�s	KatyRoseLand wrote: I know, right?! She also once said "I don't get why you like him so much, his hair is so greasy". Sigh. She just has no taste. HIS hair is greasy? WTF?
Orestes Fasting	Eppie-Sue wrote: I figured out a few weeks ago that the London!Enjolras parts are like a ladder... and he's continually working his way up. See: Convict Poor man Factory worker Policeman (during Fantine's Arrest) Judge Enjolras this theory was kind-of destroyed when I noticed that he also plays the waiter during the wedding scene xD but still. Doesn't he also play the Captain Who Can Wear His Shoes?
Eppie-Sue	I thought so, too, but, ah, I'm not sure anymore. It could be (and it would fit very well into the hierarchy thing I've put up ), but I'll have to watch carefully when I see the show the next time, normally you can spot DT really easily, strangely enough. I mean, I spotted him the second time I saw the show in all of the roles I listed above without intending to (ecept for the waiter...). He might also be one of the farm workers, but I tend to ignore that because it ruins my little theory ... And his hair isn't greasy.
KatyRoseLand	Eppie-Sue wrote: He might also be one of the farm workers, but I tend to ignore that because it ruins my little theory ... And his hair isn't greasy. He is one of the farm workers, he wears the cutest hat! I need to tell my sister that she needs to look at him properly. His hair is GREAT. His new vest in DYHTPS is not quite as great though...
Eppie-Sue	they killed The Vest That Was Not Yet THE VEST OF DOOOM. Murderers. and, um, yeah... The Hair = Great. I'll leave it at that or I'll start fangirling again.
Madeleine	Eppie-Sue wrote: I thought so, too, but, ah, I'm not sure anymore. It could be (and it would fit very well into the hierarchy thing I've put up ), but I'll have to watch carefully when I see the show the next time, normally you can spot DT really easily, strangely enough. ... And his hair isn't greasy. He does play 'Captain Who Can Wear His Shoes' He is easy to spot, but him and Killian Donnelly look very similar and it can get a bit confusing. I remember watching a policeman/guard/something like that in Runaway Cart for ages, thinking it was DT, before realising it was actually Killian. Killian is now second cover Enjolras and when he gets to go on, it wouldn't surprise me if people who don't check the cast board/listen to the annoucement won't be able to tell the difference between Killian and the DT photos in the brochure. How can anybody insult The Legs and The Hair?! That has to be the 'best' one so far in this thread.
MlleTholomy�s	Madeleine wrote: That has to be the 'best' one so far in this thread. It barely beats the one where the woman thought she was watching Miss Saigon until the curtain rose. By that much.
curlyhairedsoprano91	"Les Miserables is a musical about Jean Valjean. He was falsely convicted of a crime and sent to work in a factory, which is where Fantine works..."
lesmisloony	Hahaha, that'll show HIM.
KatyRoseLand	Another gem from my sister. She confessed to me the other day: "I can't even watch Javert's Suicide, because he's not wearing a harness, and he insists on leaving half his coat over the bridge. What if his coat were to get caught? The actor would fly up with the bridge, fall off and die! It would be awful!" I said "I think he does that for dramatic effect. I'm sure they have some kind of safety measure in place to stop it getting caught on the bridge, so I don't think you need to worry" but she still says she's not going to watch it. Now, it's not THAT silly, I suppose, it just seems like an irrational fear in a show where there are pyrotechnics (did I spell that correctly?)and students running around jumping off barricades and things.
flying_pigs	^ I confess that I used to be really worried about that exact same thing happening to Javert! But the fear has almost gone!! Now I'm more worried about Valjean flinging Little Cosette off the stage when he spins her around!
KatyRoseLand	flying_pigs wrote: ^ I confess that I used to be really worried about that exact same thing happening to Javert! But the fear has almost gone!! Now I'm more worried about Valjean flinging Little Cosette off the stage when he spins her around! Now, with Drew Sarich that would be a totally rational fear! None of the others do it very enthusiastically though. Of course, some of the Little Cosettes I've seen could do with being flung offstage.
lovesinging	KatyRoseLand wrote: Of course, some of the Little Cosettes I've seen could do with being flung offstage. <3. Agreed.
What you own	Oy vey! I found this on a name website commented on the name Cosette. Quote: Cosette, meaning "Victory in War" or "Triumph in War" is also the name of the lead woman in "Les Misrables", a French play about the French Revolution
MlleTholomy�s	What you own wrote: Oy vey! I found this on a name website commented on the name Cosette. Quote: Cosette, meaning "Victory in War" or "Triumph in War" is also the name of the lead woman in "Les Misrables", a French play about the French Revolution Well, it does say it's a diminutive of Nicholas which mean that, but wow. The scene where Cosette cuts apart a piece of lettuce with her flimsy sword is a lot more interesting now.
lesmisloony	Except my footnotes in one of my copies said that it's more like... Euphrasie comes from the Greek or Latin (probably Latin) or something for good and word, whereas Cosette comes from the French slangy "causer," which is like to chat... or something... so Cosette is literally a French slangy version of the snooty Latin type name that F�lix gave her? Something like that.
Vanessa20	Here's a baby name website that discusses both possible origins of the name: the "chat" idea and it being derived from Nicole. http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Cosette.html I don't know what they mean when they say that the name Cosette has negative conotations in France because it's associated with the character. Is she as disliked by the French as she is by so many musical fans? Or is it just that parents don't like to choose a name so associated with a literary character (the same way that most English-speaking parents would never name their sons Romeo or Hamlet)? Back on topic, here's a quote from a London review I found online. I may have cited it before (it's one I first found long ago), but I'm too lazy to check. The reviewer apparently stopped paying attention toward the end of the show: Quote: 'Empty Chairs At Empty Tables' sees Marius mourning the death of Valjean who he came to look upon as a friend and mentor.
Orestes Fasting	Vanessa20 wrote: I don't know what they mean when they say that the name Cosette has negative conotations in France because it's associated with the character. Is she as disliked by the French as she is by so many musical fans? Or is it just that parents don't like to choose a name so associated with a literary character (the same way that most English-speaking parents would never name their sons Romeo or Hamlet)? I think it's more the image of the poor abused little Cosette--someone once told me that you can say "Yeah, listen to poor Cosette here" (or something similar) if someone's whingeing too much and exaggerating their problems. Kind of like the world's tiniest violin in English.
Vanessa20	Orestes Fasting wrote: I think it's more the image of the poor abused little Cosette--someone once told me that you can say "Yeah, listen to poor Cosette here" (or something similar) if someone's whingeing too much and exaggerating their problems. Kind of like the world's tiniest violin in English. That makes sense. It's nice to know that some people in some countries actually remember poor abused little Cosette. Unlike here, where three-fourths of everyone who's had contact with the story just thinks of her as a boring rich airhead who gets everything handed to her while poor, deserving Eponine suffers.
Orestes Fasting	Yeah, it's funny how that works--Gavroche and little Cosette are by far the most iconic characters from the book in France, followed by Valjean and Fantine and maybe Javert. The English-speaking world seems to put way more emphasis on the youth generation--Marius and grown!Cosette and Eponine and Enjolras. No little kids, nobody over the age of twenty-five unless they die heroically on a barricade.
marlalp	Orestes Fasting wrote: Yeah, it's funny how that works--Gavroche and little Cosette are by far the most iconic characters from the book in France, followed by Valjean and Fantine and maybe Javert. The English-speaking world seems to put way more emphasis on the youth generation--Marius and grown!Cosette and Eponine and Enjolras. No little kids, nobody over the age of twenty-five unless they die heroically on a barricade. Maybe that is true for the musical (or at least its fan base), but if you consider all of the English language film adaptations that have been made over the past century, the story tends to center mostly on Valjean and Javert and to a lesser extent Cosette and Marius. Characters like Eponine and Enjolras are often cut entirely or merged with other characters.
Vanessa20	So here's what we've got in terms of which characters are the most iconic : The French- Gavroche and little Cosette, followed by Valjean, Fantine and Javert Musical Fans- EPONIIIIINEEEE!!, Marius, Enjolras, grown!Cosette Hollywood: Valjean and Javert I wonder what that says about each of these three groups? Back on topic. I was just looking at the TAC "Heart Full of Love" comments on Youtube (that's where I found the above unique spelling of Eponine's name), and I found this quote from someone convinced that everyone was attributing the role of Cosette to the wrong actress : Quote: Cosette is Rue Plummet not Judy Kuhn. Just so you know.
lesmisloony	I'd like to see the movie of Les Mis that doesn't focus on Valjean... Wait... no I wouldn't.
Ulkis	Quote: Musical Fans- EPONIIIIINEEEE!!, Marius, Enjolras, grown!Cosette Honestly, I don't think most people even catch Enjolras' name. Which makes sense, seeing as they never mention it. Poor Enjolras. They should have just renamed you Claude for the musical.
KatyRoseLand	Ulkis wrote: Honestly, I don't think most people even catch Enjolras' name. Which makes sense, seeing as they never mention it. Poor Enjolras. They should have just renamed you Claude for the musical. I feel incredibly stupid for this now, but the first time I saw it, I didn't even notice Enjolras. I only noticed him the second time because I'd read about him on forums and thought "Which one was that then? I don't remember him at all!" He just didn't make much of an impression on me until I saw David Thaxton. And I don't even mean that in a fangirlish way.
wtfchuck	Vanessa20 wrote: Quote: Cosette is Rue Plummet not Judy Kuhn. Just so you know. I've heard Rue Plumet won a Tony for best actress not too long ago.
What you own	With the Cosette thing. I wasn't reffering to the whole meaning of it. (There a sveral theroys) but rather that she was according to this guy or girl "The lead heroine in a french play about the french revoltion" Well at leasy he got the French part right... As for the whole orgin of Cosette.. there are a few theroys... Quote: The origin of Cosette is unclear. If Victor Hugo used the word "chosette" to create the name, then it means, essentially, "little." However, if Cosette is derived from Colette, which would in turn be a pet form of Nicole, the name means "victory of the people." Convenient name for the heroine of a novel about the common people uprising against the rich. Quote: Another possible source may have come from Fantine's beau and Cosette's father, Felix Tholomyes. According to Hugo, Felix has some Spanish ancestry, and has been know to entertain his companions with Spanish songs. In Spanish, the word "cosa" means "thing", as does the word "chose" or "chosette" in French. Felix might have frenchized the Spanish word to call either Fantine or his daughter his "little thing" as a term of endearment. Quote: The idea of the name being possibly derived from both the word(s) meaning "little thing" and the name meaning "victorious people" would certainly be very interesting. Hugo probably did that on purpose. Quote: Cosette may have given rise to the French name Josette (found in the main database), as a sort of play on words. If one accepts the idea that Cosette is derived from Chosette, it's rather easy to see the leap from Chosette (shoh-zet) to Josette (zhoh-zet). The "play on words" comes in if you imagine combining the "jo" of Josephine with the "-osette" of Cosette, effectively marrying one image of the French feminine ideal (quiet regal strength) with another (vulnerable innocence). Josette is a lovely alternative to Cosette, as the French I know tend to react to "Cosette" as Americans might react to the name "Baby" if born by an adult woman. My advice is to consider saving this name for your French poodle. [/quote] So there is debate. Of course as many people will ponit out. We know Cosette's real name is Euphrasie. (Which I for the life of me can not figure out how to pronouce) Edit: My qoute things got all screwed up. Now they be fixed!
MlleTholomy�s	What you own wrote: Quote: The idea of the name being possibly derived from both the word(s) meaning "little thing" and the name meaning "victorious people" would certainly be very interesting. Hugo probably did that on purpose. Cosette may have given rise to the French name Josette (found in the main database), as a sort of play on words. If one accepts the idea that Cosette is derived from Chosette, it's rather easy to see the leap from Chosette (shoh-zet) to Josette (zhoh-zet). The "play on words" comes in if you imagine combining the "jo" of Josephine with the "-osette" of Cosette, effectively marrying one image of the French feminine ideal (quiet regal strength) with another (vulnerable innocence). Josette is a lovely alternative to Cosette, as the French I know tend to react to "Cosette" as Americans might react to the name "Baby" if born by an adult woman. My advice is to consider saving this name for your French poodle. Wow. I'd never heard of that one before, nor even thought of it. What you own wrote: (Which I for the life of me can not figure out how to pronouce) I always pronounced it as "you-phrase-ee", though I know minimal Greeek and Latin, and my French is iffy at times.
Eppie-Sue	I always thought "Euphrasie" was the "eu" of "Deux" or "chanteuse" or "peuple" + phrah + see...
What you own	^ Ahhh thank you.
musical_muffin	Someone once asked me If Le miserables was german! I nearly died with laughter Lol.
Elbow	Once, someone who posted above me on a Les Miserables forum spelled Les Miserables "Le Miserable".
musical_muffin	and your point is?
MlleTholomy�s	musical_muffin wrote: and your point is? That it's silly to not get the name of the board you're posting in right?
musical_muffin	this thread is about the funny things people have said or asked about the show. The person who asked me if the show was german asked me, In her own words "Is les miserable" a German musical. (She said les miserable) I then answered "No its not a german show and its pronounced "Les Miserables" And i thought it was funny because she mis-pronounced it and thought it was german. Case closed!
musical_muffin	I changed the spelling for you From Les miserable to les miserables
marlalp	musical_muffin wrote: Someone once asked me If Le miserables was german! I nearly died with laughter Lol. musical_muffin wrote: I changed the spelling for you From Les miserable to les miserables Actually no, you still have "Le miserables". Now if we want to be really picky we should all be writing "Les Mis�rables". Accents are not optional in French, after all. musical_muffin wrote: The person who asked me if the show was german asked me, In her own words "Is les miserable" a German musical. (She said les miserable) I then answered "No its not a german show and its pronounced "Les Miserables" Hmm. Just curious, how exactly do you pronounce it?
LookBehindTheFacade	During choir sophomore year we sang a Les Mis medley. When we looked at the music for the first time the teacher asked, "Has anyone seen the show and knows what its about?" This girl rose her hand and said, "Of course! It's all about the Civil War and the struggle of the North versus the South to end slavery!"
musical_muffin	I dont know how to do an accent with my key board tho
Eppie-Sue	LookBehindTheFacade wrote: During choir sophomore year we sang a Les Mis medley. When we looked at the music for the first time the teacher asked, "Has anyone seen the show and knows what its about?" This girl rose her hand and said, "Of course! It's all about the Civil War and the struggle of the North versus the South to end slavery!" ... HAHAHAHA. well, of course!
marlalp	musical_muffin wrote: I dont know how to do an accent with my key board tho On my keyboard it's alt-0233 on the number pad. I wasn't serious though, I was just kinda poking fun because everyone was getting all worked up over the spelling. Just FYI you don't pronounce the "s" at the end of Les Mis�rables, so it phonetically sounds the same as "Les Mis�rable".
musical_muffin	when you say it it sounds like Le miserabla even tho thats not how its spelt.
marlalp	musical_muffin wrote: when you say it it sounds like Le miserabla even tho thats not how its spelt. I'm starting to feel a bit pedantic here, but it's really pronounced more like lay miz-ehr-abl' with very little emphasis on the "L". Anyway back on topic, when I first saw the musical I had a few things really, really confused, probably because I had never read the book or listened to the soundtrack. I thought Valjean was a sort of commander of the revolutionaries and Marius was his subordinate. Or something like that. I also for some odd reason thought that Th�nardier was gay. It was a rather strange production.
musical_muffin	who put the production you went to see on?
marlalp	musical_muffin wrote: who put the production you went to see on? Ah, it was a school edition put on by a small theatre company, if that explains anything.
musical_muffin	they probably performed it the way they thought it was supposed to. In so making you think what you did then.
Eppie-Sue	musical_muffin wrote: they probably performed it the way they thought it was supposed to. In so making you think what you did then. ... or they were just really, really bad.
marlalp	Eppie-Sue wrote: musical_muffin wrote: they probably performed it the way they thought it was supposed to. In so making you think what you did then. ... or they were just really, really bad. Yeah, that. Although at least not so bad that I was forever turned off of Les Mis. I've since seen clips from some SEs that would have done just that.
Vanessa20	Here's another Eppiebopper quote from Youtube (I don't think I or anyone else posted this one before - I hope not): Quote: I guess Vic Hugo did kind of cheap out by having Marius still end up with Cosette. WTF?
musical_muffin	So does that mean your properly turned off? Or have you seen a better performance of it? it would be a shame if you hadn't, its a great show over done but, Still a great show.
lesmisloony	I think, given she's posting on this board, it's safe to assume she's not turned off to Les Mis.
musical_muffin	It was only a question, You dont need to like something to post about it you know.
What you own	Ahh The Eppie Boppers the Eppie Boppers!! On Facebook. The flair.. Of coure includes.. Team Eponine Eponine should have gotten Marius' Les Miserables.- I always wish it was Cosette who dies. My favorites. Becuase they are true. Fact one: Les Mies wasn't set druing the french Revoltion. Fact two:You can't really realte to Eponine. Victor Hugo: Dissillisioning every tennage girl who ever believed she was just like Eponine. Eponine was pyscho Deal with it. It made me laugh. Oh and another one. Cosette so awsome her stalker has a stalker. Lmao.
Ricey	What you own wrote: On Facebook. The flair.. Of coure includes.. Team Eponine Eponine should have gotten Marius' Les Miserables.- I always wish it was Cosette who dies. Why is there always someone who says that? I like Eponine but I think that it wouldn't be as good a story if Cosette had died and Eponine had got Marius. It would just be.... wrong.
Eppie-Sue	One comment about the "real" 1832 revolt, as read on a TAC Final Battle YouTube video: Quote: Yeah, the real deal wasn't nearly as epic. It was the students barricaded in a wine cellar and Marius and Enjolras HATED each other. It didn't last too long and they ended up capturing/hanging Enjolras O.O
flying_pigs	While trying to explain Les Mis to a 13 year old and in particular, the scene where Valjean buys off the Th�nardiers; "Is that legal?!"
MunkustrapQC	In a theatre class (last fall): Teacher : So, Les Mis�rables is about the French Revolution made by poor people, and A Tale of Two Cities is about the French Revolution made by rich people. Me : um.. Sir, are you sure about that? Teacher : Totally sure Me : Well, you should read both book, because you're totally wrong. Teacher : I'm the teacher, you're the student so listen to what I'm saying and stop arguing. He then started to talk about how Tale of Two Cities will be successful and how great it is compare to Les Mis. (The show closed less than a month after theses statements...) (Can you guys understand why I cancelled that class on my schedule?)
Yakko	MunkustrapQC wrote: In a theatre class (last fall): Teacher : So, Les Mis�rables is about the French Revolution made by poor people, and A Tale of Two Cities is about the French Revolution made by rich people. Me : um.. Sir, are you sure about that? Teacher : Totally sure Me : Well, you should read both book, because you're totally wrong. Teacher : I'm the teacher, you're the student so listen to what I'm saying and stop arguing. He then started to talk about how Tale of Two Cities will be successful and how great it is compare to Les Mis. (The show closed less than a month after theses statements...) (Can you guys understand why I cancelled that class on my schedule?) If you think that's bad...try having a collage professor who likes Twilight.....But really though....If I had a teacher who is so snobby, I'd cancel too....
musical_muffin	Yakko wrote: MunkustrapQC wrote: In a theatre class (last fall): Teacher : So, Les Mis�rables is about the French Revolution made by poor people, and A Tale of Two Cities is about the French Revolution made by rich people. Me : um.. Sir, are you sure about that? Teacher : Totally sure Me : Well, you should read both book, because you're totally wrong. Teacher : I'm the teacher, you're the student so listen to what I'm saying and stop arguing. He then started to talk about how Tale of Two Cities will be successful and how great it is compare to Les Mis. (The show closed less than a month after theses statements...) (Can you guys understand why I cancelled that class on my schedule?) If you think that's bad...try having a collage professor who likes Twilight.....But really though....If I had a teacher who is so snobby, I'd cancel too.... Whats wrong with liking Twilight? I Love it. The books are Amazing!!! I also would have cancelled that class, Dumb teachers think they know it all.
Eppie-Sue	Speaking of teachers... in 8th grade, we were discussing musicals in school. Music teacher: "In a musical, singing and dancing are vital parts. Les Mis�rables is such a musical, lots of dance..." Me: "Um, there is not ... that much... dancing in Les Mis�rables." Music teacher: "Excuse me?" Me: "They only waltz at the wedding." Music teacher: "Well, this just shows that you don't know anything about dancing in musicals. I'm not talking about waltzing, obviously. Choreographed dancing of any kind!" Maybe he was talking about the dancing pimp?
MlleTholomy�s	musical_muffin wrote: Yakko wrote: MunkustrapQC wrote: In a theatre class (last fall): Teacher : So, Les Mis�rables is about the French Revolution made by poor people, and A Tale of Two Cities is about the French Revolution made by rich people. Me : um.. Sir, are you sure about that? Teacher : Totally sure Me : Well, you should read both book, because you're totally wrong. Teacher : I'm the teacher, you're the student so listen to what I'm saying and stop arguing. He then started to talk about how Tale of Two Cities will be successful and how great it is compare to Les Mis. (The show closed less than a month after theses statements...) (Can you guys understand why I cancelled that class on my schedule?) If you think that's bad...try having a collage professor who likes Twilight.....But really though....If I had a teacher who is so snobby, I'd cancel too.... Whats wrong with liking Twilight? I Love it. The books are Amazing!!! I also would have cancelled that class, Dumb teachers think they know it all. I don't see the appeal in books that can't resist the temptation to describe a character every page as "flawless", and "dazzling"--not to mention that Bella is a snob, he sparkles, Jacob snogs a girl he took care of when she was a toddler, and oh, yes, the spousal abuse.
KatyRoseLand	Me, while trying to explain the story/characters to my mum: "Gavroche is a little boy who breaks the third wall". Yeah, I said third. I felt really stupid.
Vanessa20	I just remembered possibly the worst Eppiebopper quote of all time. I think it's from the old Rue Plumet board years ago. Some unofficial website listing the cast of the 3rd National Tour listed Eponine first, and someone commented, "I guess some people think Eponine is the star." Then someone else responded (I don't remember the exact wording, but this is approximately it): "Eponine is the star. She's the tragic heroine. Without her it would just be another boring story about 'redemption.' She's the golden thread that ties the whole story together."
Damask and Dark	Vanessa20 wrote: "She's the golden thread that ties the whole story together." That would be someone getting their Hugo and Dickens crossed... but yeah, that is quite the interpretation of Les Mis. Don't you just hate all those "boring redemption stories?"
Mademoiselle Lanoire	Damask and Dark wrote: Vanessa20 wrote: "She's the golden thread that ties the whole story together." That would be someone getting their Hugo and Dickens crossed... but yeah, that is quite the interpretation of Les Mis. Don't you just hate all those "boring redemption stories?" What Dickens character would she be, anyway? Nancy, perhaps?
Vanessa20	Lucie in "A Tale of Two Cities." That's who Dickens used the phrase "golden thread" referring to.
UKDeer42	Vanessa20 wrote: "Eponine is the star. She's the tragic heroine. Without her it would just be another boring story about 'redemption.' She's the golden thread that ties the whole story together." Sure. Of course. A young woman who has been spoilt and pampered through her whole childhood while watching her adopted sister being neglected and abused and only recently has fallen upon hard times is a true heroine. Her angst and anger about the fact that the love of his life, a naive and carefree young man who she hopelessly loves even though he obviously doesn't care that much and most women would have given up on by now, has fallen in love with her abused adopted sister who she tormented throughout her childhood before being rescued, are more important than - say - a group of students fighting for social responsibility. Or the plight of a man condemned by the law for a small, selfless crime and still running away from it though he is a decent man now and even the confusion and misery of a man who has gone through his life worshipping to the law as his only way of getting out of the misery he was born into only to find everything he thought he knew turns out to be wrong when a man he has long hated shows him mercy. No, those concepts are miniscule compared to the woes of Eppy's love life. And this is coming from an Eppie bobber o.o No offense to the writers intended or to the character, but it is TOO far to say she is the heroine of the story or makes it worthwhile o.o And I'm feeling a bit stressed today so that's why I'm ranting ^^;
Mademoiselle Lanoire	Vanessa20 wrote: Lucie in "A Tale of Two Cities." That's who Dickens used the phrase "golden thread" referring to. Got it. I haven't read that one in a while.

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